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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 09:06 PM
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Hey i just recently did a b16a2 swap in my 92' hatch and i plan on boosting my car but i don't know what to start on first on getting my motor prep for boost. Any suggestions. Sorry if this question has already been asked.

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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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sell the b16 and buy a ls with some cash on the side
with the extra cash you could get started on the turbo crap.
also a b16 has 10.4.1 compression or something close to that , thats pretty high for boost .
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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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your question is too vague to help you

-WHP/boost goals?
-purpose of car?
-what kinda car is it in?
-budget?

like common, just because you're a n00b doesnt mean you have to post like one
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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 09:13 PM
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anything over 250-280 on a stock b16 block makes it not a daily driver just to let you know. but on a good side note, if you spend the money and buy low compression pistons you could go higher. the stock rods on a b16 are the strongest out of the b series, because of the a/r
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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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Well i was originally going to get an ls but i couldn't find a manual tranny for it. Some of my honda friends couldn't find any either. they just found everything else except tranny and linkage. Also im not selling my b16 for an ls. I know that it would do better on boost but i just can't do that right now. So i guess that i should start out with low compression pistons? Also anything else you could think of that would help me I would appreciate it. I know that the question is kind of vague but all i know about turbos is low compression is better. Thats basically it. I know a little bit about a little bit so it would help me greatly if you guys could help me out. Also if you guys think that it is cheaper to go n/a instead of turbo please tell me. I guessing that n/a is going to be cheaper but on the other hand i dont know that much about turbos.

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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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N/A will be more expensive. low compression pistions and a good tune and you'll have yourself a pretty stoud daily driver.
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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92 hatch eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well i was originally going to get an ls but i couldn't find a manual tranny for it. Some of my honda friends couldn't find any either. they just found everything else except tranny and linkage. Also im not selling my b16 for an ls. I know that it would do better on boost but i just can't do that right now. So i guess that i should start out with low compression pistons? Also anything else you could think of that would help me I would appreciate it. I know that the question is kind of vague but all i know about turbos is low compression is better. Thats basically it. I know a little bit about a little bit so it would help me greatly if you guys could help me out. Also if you guys think that it is cheaper to go n/a instead of turbo please tell me. I guessing that n/a is going to be cheaper but on the other hand i dont know that much about turbos.

Thx</TD></TR></TABLE>

Erm, backwards, higher compression is better for boost, better for anything actually --- you want high compression pistons (I'm not sure if they even make low comp pistons :-P) - After that you can get more aggressive cams & camgears like skunk 2, you'll also want high compression (dish) valves to up the ante on ur compression a bit, from there you'll want better valve setups (springs 'n all) - Some people will tell ya u can bore the block to increase displacement (increasing compression) - that's up to you, I wouldn't if ur not going all out dragster... I think that's what ur asking, how to start with the foundation of the motor to set it up for boost? Well there's a good start:
- High compression pistons/forged rods/piston seals/bearings
- Light weight crank (I'm not into that aftermarket oilpan stuff but if that's what floats ur boat, go for it)
- dish valves (high compression valves)
- You'll want a better valve spring/retainer/seal setup
- You'll also probalby want better cams/camgears
- While you're in there you may want to replace the headgasket and timing belt, timing belt to lower the chance of it snapping (even if ur motor only has 50k on it, additional stress can snap it faster) - the guys here at H-T can help u with the headgasket, a thicker one will give you better compression I BELIEVE but am not positive about that - like I said, somebody on H-T here that knows more about this can tell ya what kinda head gasket to get

That should get you pretty well set up for a really solid boost factor..some honda gurus here might argue that some of that stuff is uneccessary if ur running boost as an everyday driver (oppose to an allout dragster that's not street legal) - listen to them, they have more knowledge on the subject than I - although it would be better safe than sorry with reinforced internals (listed above) - all of them might not be neccessary if ur going to run 15-25lbs of boost, I'm not sure..

Well, I hope that helps for a start, good luck with your boost setup

PS @ people who intend to flame me: No, I do not claim to know everything about turbo setups, so if you feel this uninterupted urge to hammer down on me - correct me here to help the guy - not to flame me, if u want to flame me send a PM, it's always open.
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Old Jul 1, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Erm, backwards, higher compression is better for boost, better for anything actually --- you want high compression pistons (I'm not sure if they even make low comp pistons :-P) - After that you can get more aggressive cams & camgears like skunk 2, you'll also want high compression (dish) valves to up the ante on ur compression a bit, from there you'll want better valve setups (springs 'n all) - Some people will tell ya u can bore the block to increase displacement (increasing compression) - that's up to you, I wouldn't if ur not going all out dragster... I think that's what ur asking, how to start with the foundation of the motor to set it up for boost? Well there's a good start:
- High compression pistons/forged rods/piston seals/bearings
- Light weight crank (I'm not into that aftermarket oilpan stuff but if that's what floats ur boat, go for it)
- dish valves (high compression valves)
- You'll want a better valve spring/retainer/seal setup
- You'll also probalby want better cams/camgears
- While you're in there you may want to replace the headgasket and timing belt, timing belt to lower the chance of it snapping (even if ur motor only has 50k on it, additional stress can snap it faster) - the guys here at H-T can help u with the headgasket, a thicker one will give you better compression I BELIEVE but am not positive about that - like I said, somebody on H-T here that knows more about this can tell ya what kinda head gasket to get
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Who told you that? If you have no clue about turbo's, then dont post. There IS such a thing as low compressiosn pistons and many people use them on turbo setups. I have done alot of reading and research on turbos and from what i gathered, you want to have a nice balance as far as compression goes. You dont have to go as low 8.5:1 (like some Nissan's are) or really high either.

Anyway, before you even begin to research parts, get goals and budgets. If you have low goals, almost everything the poster above me ssaid is unnecessary unless you have OCD and paranoia about your motor blowing. That is ALWAYS my first peice of advice. When I went turbo, I read and read and read and read some more. Then I made a goal of 200whp (on a D16) and a budget of 1750 (minuis tuning). I was able to accomplish both goals and I was happy with my car. AND I was able to keep it stock as far as internal work goes. The second tiem I boosted, I set the same goal and a budget of 1300. The second time I pieced my stuff together and had a better kit than the first one I had. Unfortunately I was never able to reap the fruits of my labor (but that is another story).

Those two things will tell you how to proceed. If you want low power, dont do any internal work and get good tuning and you should be good to go (look around for B16a2 turbo numbers with a similar budget and build).

Prepping for turbo is not much different than doing maintenance on your car. Get some compression and leakdown numbers to see what condition your motor is in. You will change the oil while you are in there for the oil related turbo install. If you get different head bolts, you can change the headgasket while you are doing that. When I did my first turbo, I just changed the spark plugs, valve cover gasket, oil (of course) and I think that was it (its been awhile )
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Old Jul 1, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nekoabandoned &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sell the b16 and buy a ls with some cash on the side
with the extra cash you could get started on the turbo crap.
also a b16 has 10.4.1 compression or something close to that , thats pretty high for boost . </TD></TR></TABLE>

He will be fine with the 10.2:1. Many people do it. Just cant run as much boost because the added compression makes up for it.
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