Bucking, now won`t start. Spark and fuel are there. (searched, help please!)

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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 05:20 AM
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Default Bucking, now won`t start. Spark and fuel are there. (searched, help please!)

So on the way to an auto-x the other day I floored it on the highway and the car started bucking like crazy and died. I pulled over, tried to start it again and it fired up fine. I could rev it no problem without load but as soon as I tried to drive it it would buck even at low rpm.
I waited about 20min tried again and drove off with no issue.

At the auto-x I spun it and the car stalled, started it, went to finish my lap and it started bucking and died. Now it wont start at all.

Its a d16z6 semi-built turbo running chrome. Ive never had an issue like this before.

Now, if I try to start it it just cranks until it floods and gives a little burp before it dies. If I turn the fuel pump off it will start if I have my foot on the pedal a bit and then die a second later.

- getting fuel in all cylinders
- blue spark on all cylinders
- new cap and rotor
- replaced IACV and fast idle valve
- tried another ecu
- tried 3 sets of plugs
- compression checks out

Im stumped.

The funny thing is, last night I changed the IAC just because it was a little rough idling sometimes and I figured Id give it a shot. It fired right up three times in a row. This morning I go to leave for work and it will not start at all.
The car will usually give a little burp if I give it a touch of gas but wont start.

Someone help me out! I have no idea what to do next...
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 06:43 AM
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up

Need this thing running to get to work!
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 07:07 AM
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check eng light ? what map sensor ?

it sounds like you have an extremly rich condition which is fouling your **** out.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 07:12 AM
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3 bar map. No CEL.

Im thinking the extremely rich as well, but Im wondering what could suddenly cause it.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 07:14 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OrangeBoost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3 bar map. No CEL.

Im thinking the extremely rich as well, but Im wondering what could suddenly cause it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

timing belt jump a tooth? injectors stuck open...map sensor gettin a false reading or being unplugged. cap/rotor/coil/icm....etc.... there are a million things that could cause the car to run like ****.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 07:25 AM
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IM leaning away from ignition problems since it fires up when the fuel pump is off. THis means I must be getting spark.

The problem came went then came back worse so I dont think its the timing belt jumping either.

Map sensor is plugged in fine.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 07:35 AM
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i think you have dirty/cloged injectors
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 08:29 AM
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Wouldnt that cause a LACK of fuel? Fuel is def. there.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OrangeBoost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wouldnt that cause a LACK of fuel? </TD></TR></TABLE>

not if they're just stuck open.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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Ok but if this is the case how do I test? I cant check for clicking because it wont idle.
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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Also, odds of all injectors sticking at the exact same time seems slim to none. If one was sticking open shouldnt the car still start but idle terrible?
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 05:39 AM
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Got home lastnight, went to start it and it fired up just fine.

It is still bucking most of the time if I try to rev it.

I pulled the vac line of the FPR to see if its functioning and RPMs went up as expected.

Disconnected one injector at a time, all are firing.


Im stumped.
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 08:10 AM
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well if its "bucking" then its misfiring, try a new dizzy
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 09:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sicones &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well if its "bucking" then its misfiring, try a new dizzy</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not necessarily but a wideband reading would tell you a lot.
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 09:21 AM
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it does sound like your dizzy is trying to die.
to check injectors:
take the cap off the dizzy. slowly turn the rotor and listen for the injectors to make a click sound (from opening). this means they are working.
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Old Jun 29, 2006 | 06:00 PM
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UPDATE:

The car now starts every time but is still surging/bucking under throttle.

I tried another dizzy with no change.

I did notice that upon starting it it would sometimes rev normally until I tried disconnecting the idle control valve. At this point, even if I plugged it in again, it would surge every time I tried to rev. Even at low rpm.

Also, the idle set screw has no effect even when the IAC is unplugged.


I have recently swapped the fast idle control valve to fix some previous issues (resolved) and also tried a spare IAC with no change.


It seems that the IAC may be having some effect on it but I cant figure out the link.
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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 05:12 AM
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no one
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Old Jun 30, 2006 | 09:15 AM
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this is not an easy problem to resolve over the net. you need to understnad the net cannot always solve your oissues, especially something like this.

you need to have a shop look at it and determin what might be the issue. it coudl be a simple wire shorting, or as bad as you burned holes in the pistons. I don't know, but again take it to a reputable shop and have THEM troubleshoot it and let you know an estimate in writting with a garranty on their work and their parts.
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