Ok, I know this topic has been tackled a thousand times, because I have read about 100 myself looking for some insight. I just did a rear disc brake conversion on my 96 EX coupe manual. The brakes and all parts are fine. The problem I have is that when I put the 00 Integra GSR trailing arms on, and everything bolted back up, now my wheels rub. When I had the drums on the rear, I had the Ingalls bolt/washer kit, w/all 3 washers on each bolt for the upper control arm, and it never rubber, road perfect. Before anyone asks, I have 16x7" wheels, +44et, 205/45/16 tires. Nothing has changed but the rear disc, and they were in great shape, not bent. Has anyone else had this problem after doing the conversion??

 

bump for a lil help!

 

Hey there, 6gencivic. You're still using the Camber Kit, now that you've swapped your TA, right? Also, is your car lowered at all (before and/or after the swap)? And did you keep your original Rear UCA and LCA? Which part of the tires are rubbing, outside, inside, or both (usually just the outside)? Any distinguishable Camber changes? Maybe a pic from the rear will help..

Here are some links I dug up...
Offset
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1296036
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1434788
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1267739
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1308305
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1482089
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=951375

GSR models had ABS, and may've used a larger Rear Hub/Bearing Assembly, where the mating surface of the Hub & Rotor is further away from the car's centerline... I haven't had the opportunity to actually check this when I had the Rear ABS Hub/Bearing Assembly in my hands (42200-SR3-A53, I had to return it), but I remember them being MUCH bigger than the other non-ABS Hub/Bearing Assembly I had (42200-SE0-008, I returned that Hub too)...

Trailing Arms
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=760033
ABS Hub Pics (42200-SR3-A53)...
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...b.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...p.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...y.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...s.jpg - (about 2.6" from base of the Assembly to the edge of the Wheel Spacer Pilot)
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...s.jpg - (shows the Bearing's Inner Race identifier)

Note the difference for the "Flange Offset", as shown by Federal-Mogul/BCA National's product spec page...
42200-S<FONT COLOR="red">R3-A53</FONT> - 2000 Integra GS-R
http://c2c.demo.activant.com/c...JUj0A
42200-S<FONT COLOR="red">04-008</FONT> - 1996 Civic EX (non-ABS)
http://c2c.demo.activant.com/c...KUj0A

If you've got any pictures, post 'em up!! It's hard to know what's going on, no matter how good our imaginations might be. For now, we need to see what's going on, and where the rubbing is. Other than that, keep the driving tame and you can always go to a Honda Stealership for a looksie...

But pics would help a lot. Try to take pics of the Arms' connection points, the Hub/Bearing Assembly base-to-Mating Surface distance, or better yet, get some accurate measurements of each component, if possible (you can use a string to go from Bolt Head to Bolt Head, and compare this to your old TA's measurements).

Let us know, and hang in there, we'll figure this out yet...
JasonGhostz

 

There is nothing wrong w/my offset on my wheels, nor the tire size, because I have ran a 3.3 drop on them and never rubbed at all w/the drums. The problem has just occurred after switching to the 00 Integra GSR rear trailing arms/hub assembly. I am still running the Ingalls bolt /washer kit, as I never removed my UCA. I am using my 96 EX UCA. I am also using the 96 EX LCA. So I am running the originals. As far as where I rub, it is on the outside of the wheel/tire. The camber did look like it changed. My car looks as though it got about a ¼" higher in the back, and the camber seems to be almost straight (the wheel has straightened out). Hmm, I am puzzled as to what I should do. The flange offset looks like a formidable explanation for what happened. Do you suggest getting an alignment? What is the flange offset on a 99-00 Civic SI according to the Federal-Mogul/BCA National's product spec page? I greatly appreciate your help JasonGhostz!

 

Oy, sorry 'bout being a little unclear as to why I posted the links to the Offset Threads. I wanted to shed some light on what others were running for their Offsets, as well as their Ride Height, and the effects of doing so. Everyone's situation is unique... As late as it was getting, I didn't have the time to clarify those intentions (I *did* read that you had *NO* problems with your Offset/Ride Height/Rubbing before the swap)...

Dang, dood! 3"+ drop? Without any other adjustments, this might've been what set your Camber negative enough for the top of your Tires to have the clearance to NOT rub... How noticeable were your Tires angled before you did this swap? Maybe the straghtening of your Wheels, coupled with any Flange Offset is contributing to your problem. The thing that baffles me is that I am unaware of any differences in the dimensions between Integra and Civic TAs to account for enough of a change to cause rubbing (or even the 1/4" rise) simply by swapping them out... Weird..

2000 Civic SI... (From: http://www.federal-mogul.com/j....html )
http://c2c.demo.activant.com/c...KUz0A

The weird thing is that this part (512034, 42200-SR3-A06, which is also used by the Integra RS)) has the same Flange Offset, but differs from the GS-R Hub (513105, 42200-SR3-A53) in a couple of other categories. I wish I still had all *3* Hubs in hand (88-91 Civic, 92-00 Civic Disc, 92-00 Civic/Integra ABS), or had my measuring tools when I had each one, but at this point I can't confirm/negate anything... This leads me to believe that there is something else that is contributing to your problem (either entirely, or in addition to)... The biggest bitch is that these parts were VERY hard to find, and usually not in-store at the places that advertised them as "available" (they were usually backordered, at least at the stores local to me). The only way I got my hands on them was by ordering them and subsequently returning them after finding that they didn't fit (had to pay restocking fees on one set... )

Most Definitely. It's always a good idea to do this anytime you change your geometry or swap out a Suspension component. The weird thing is that if the car seems higher in the rear, it should make rubbing *less* likely. But considering how low you ride, I'm thinking it comes down to the change in Camber that pushed the top part of your wheel further from the Centerline... You might have to set your Camber more negative, and/or raise your vehicle until we can figure things out for sure... The guys at the Alignment shop might be your best bet at this time.

Hey, man.. I gotta go to sleep soon, but I'll keep mulling this over, and hopefully others will chime in for the time being (as I only have hands-on experience with the EJ8/EM1-like systems, and NOT Integra systems, per se). I'm certainly no Guru, but I've learned how to dig up info in the last 10 months... There are doubtless others out there who know more than me, who are keeping their mouths shut ...

I Love Honda-Tech
Hang in there, 6g! We'll dial it out somehow... GL!
JasonGhostz

 

I am going to remove the bolt/washer kit, and align my car at my friends shop. If you have any other suggestions, please feel free to shoot them my way. Thanks!

 

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What Upper and lower control arm did you use?

 

I am using my 96 EX UCA. I am also using the 96 EX LCA. So I am running the originals.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 6gencivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am going to remove the bolt/washer kit, and align my car at my friends shop. If you have any other suggestions, please feel free to shoot them my way. Thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE>Whether or not you end up using them, bring the Camber Shims with you just in case you "need" them (or any other Suspension related pieces you might have, including your old TAs). Time permitting, you might be able to test each piece, and see how each change effects the geometry back there. The last thing I can suggest is to check/scour the Suspension forum to see if anyone else has encountered AND overcome this problem (brake swap related rubbing issues)...

Let us know, & GL!
JasonGhostz

 

I just wanted to say thanks for all the input, and help. After taking off the bolt/washer kit I had no problems w/rubbing. I put my car on the alignment rack, and the alignment was perfect, other than some camber. Nothing I did not expect. Mahalo, and Aloha!