I am going to do a full top to bottom build for my 92 hatch, I was wondering which would put out the most power and be the most reliable.
B18b block with GSR built head
B18c GSR block with GSR head
or should I use a B16 head
I will also be using a type R tranny, and will throw a turbo on it.

Give me your pick and why it would be best, and if you happen to know hp numbers I would get please let me know also. Thanks for looking.

 

jesus....what a horrible question imo...


If your building the motor...just buy what you can find for a good price...all those parts you listed are fine..i like Ls/Vtecs.....but i dono on your knowledge of builds like that...so you may wanna stick with the tried and true...meaning just a GSR swap. The type R trans is great. and whatever on the turbo idea...everyone and there mom says they are gonna put a "turbo" on there car..GL thats a whole other subject..

 

b20/vtec

 

I am knolegable on engines and can build one and I have considered the B20 block with a VTEC head but I could get an entire B18b engine for cheap right now, I thought about using that block. I currently have a B16a2 in my hatch right now.

 

I say the GSR bottom and a pr3 head. You definitely need to know what you are going for (n/a or turbo) before the build. They are two totally different worlds.

 

It will be turbo

 

I would stick with the above mentioned. (my opinion though) Now that you have a goal, it will be a lot easier planning this build. I like the gsr bottom because of strength, size, and reliability.(not saying that the others are bad) I prefer the vtec blocks over any. I do not like the expense of the R, and I do not like the short stroke of the b16. ( I know that can be changed, but the b16 block is actually shorter than the b18). With a good set of rods and pistons, a free flowing head, and a good tune, this set up will be quite enjoyable. My .02. Not that it matters.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by streetracerof06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am going to do a full top to bottom build for my 92 hatch, I was wondering which would put out the most power and be the most reliable.
B18b block with GSR built head
B18c GSR block with GSR head
or should I use a B16 head
I will also be using a type R tranny, and will throw a turbo on it.

Give me your pick and why it would be best, and if you happen to know hp numbers I would get please let me know also. Thanks for looking. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Man stick with your b16a2.... or I geuss b18b block with a b16head.. GSR

I have been told, that b16a2..is just as good as b18,and to change ur motor for it that would be a waste, don't swap a gsr head on anything b16a2 head ... b18c5 on the other hand is completely different biggest reason is because of it's powerband..

 

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Man stick with your b16a2.... or I geuss b18b block with a b16head.. GSR

I have been told, that b16a2..is just as good as b18,and to change ur motor for it that would be a waste, don't swap a gsr head on anything b16a2 head ... b18c5 on the other hand is completely different biggest reason is because of it's powerband..
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Jesus

Knowlege&gt;You

The only difference between the si and type r head is the cams and the R has a mild port and polish from the factory. They are both PR3 head castings. Now there is a big diff in the bottom ends of these motors. However, nobody suggested the use of a gsr head. Just the block.

 

B18 with GSR head

 

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Knowlege&gt;You

The only difference between the si and type r head is the cams and the R has a mild port and polish from the factory. They are both PR3 head castings. Now there is a big diff in the bottom ends of these motors. However, nobody suggested the use of a gsr head. Just the block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so can you explain where knowlege? whatever that is.. owns me?

and I never said anything about the Type R head.. I wrote B18C5 the whole engine..

 

There is NOTHING wrong with a GSR head, especially if you're modding. The only pro's/con's of B16A versus B18C1 have to do with the crank and bottom end, so when you get to head discussion that's completely out of the water.

If you're NOT a mechanic and you don't plan on being a mechanic, don't listen to this board chalkfull of idiots suggesting you do a B20/LS Vtec swap. It takes a lot of management and care to take care of a Turbo or Hybrid block/head set up, especially when it comes to B series.

The GSR head = good. The B16A head = Good.

Best combination is either the GSR head or B16A head on a GSR block. B16A head on GSR block with light port/polish intake/exhaust ports + CTR pistons and ITR cams = poor man's ITR motor.

Also, if you really have a B16A engine full, save money and keep the B16A head, just take it off and build it a bit, sell the B16 block and buy a GSR block. For less than 2000 invested you could have a moderately built "Poor man" Type R engine.

LS-Vtec is really only good for track-strip-only cars. I am strongly against LSVtec for Daily driven. Most of the LS-Vtec's I see are on Autotrader being sold. It's too suspicious to me and 4 of my friends with B20/LSVtec builds done by "a great shop" have all had major problems.

 

go with the gsr bottom end and a b16 head with at least gsr cams

 

why would you pick a nonvtec block over a vtec block?

 

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Probably cuz of that crazy "LS vtec" fad that's going around.

Every guy and his boyfriend wants to use an LS Vtec set up.

It's the next fad since EMO music and guys wearing make up.

Personally- I'd go GSR Block with B16A head

 

vtec block

 

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I wrote B18C5 the whole engine..</TD></TR></TABLE>

uhh not the high compression ratio part of the engine..

knowledge&gt;you...


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Probably cuz of that crazy "LS vtec" fad that's going around.

Every guy and his boyfriend wants to use an LS Vtec set up.

It's the next fad since EMO music and guys wearing make up.

Personally- I'd go GSR Block with B16A head</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are soo right.... everyone and there momma's want an LS/Vtec b/c there "boys" have them...i like the power they deliver but it scares me reliability wise...i would only do this set-up for track and strip only like it was said...


Personally i'd just boost the b16...but whatever.....maybe having the 1.8 is jdm where he's at???

 

I have seen a GSR hatch and a B16 hatch run heads up and the GSR killed the b16, I know that a GSR is a much better engine, but is it the GSR head or block that gives it such a better power band. By the way I just bought that B18b last night for $50, it only smokes when you get on it. But since you guys say the LS/VTEC is unreliable I may just resell it and buy a GSR and build that.