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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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This is a question that can be weird
Most people say it does not matter how u make your hp, hp is hp. But that does not always seem to play out. Here is a example
I have seen K20 crx's run 11's and 12's with only 220-230 hp. But have never seen a crx with a stock D16 on boost run those kind of times.

I would normally say the all motor car just has less weight, but i have never seen a boosted car with 250 hp or less run as fast as a 210 hp all motor car.

Now whats even more wierd is that a boosted D16 with 220 hp would make more tq than a all motor K20 with 220 hp, but I still think the K20 would win.

Just a post liven up honda tech on easter
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:23 AM
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I believe it also has to do wioth turbo lag.........Like the time it takes the car to spool.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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Well, I think that the all-motor cars probably have more area under the torque curve, and therefore are actually faster than the turbo car that maybe has a 400 rpm peak in the torque.

Also it seems like most of low-budget turbo setups never have slicks or any decent launch. While the all-motor guys have a consistent launch down and of course slicks.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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It has to do with most turbo hondas spooling late in addition to most turbo hondas are making so much torque that traction becomes the number 1 enemy.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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wheres the old post about this ?

did i see a red search button @ top of my screen ?
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dturbocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wheres the old post about this ?

did i see a red search button @ top of my screen ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

If it's that easy to find instead of being a dick why don't you link us all to the thread.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 05:30 PM
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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1177969
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 06:38 PM
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The dyno and track don't know how the hp was made. Assuming weights are the same, the car with the best traction, most average power/torque will win. I can't believe this is still talked about. Average hp is average hp, doesn't matter how it was made...
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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from my past experience with all my hondas, my all motor and nitrous cars were much easier to launch and less pick in the 60ft. i will say that most all motor cars dont have as much higher hp in thier powerband, what i mean is yes it has 200 hp but if it doesnt make it till 9500, and the turbo car is making 17-190 thru most of it powerband, then it has more usuable power to work with
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrbsponge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from my past experience with all my hondas, my all motor and nitrous cars were much easier to launch and less pick in the 60ft. i will say that most all motor cars dont have as much higher hp in thier powerband, what i mean is yes it has 200 hp but if it doesnt make it till 9500, and the turbo car is making 17-190 thru most of it powerband, then it has more usuable power to work with</TD></TR></TABLE>

No that's a complete lie. Go look at any dyno graph in the forced induction forum. It's not like any of the cars there make peak power at 5k and hold it to redline.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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POWER UNDER THE CURVE...

Not all power adders are created equal.....

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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:32 PM
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all motor is quicker because of less torque and this enables the car to hook. now mind you, this is just to a certain extent cause a properly setup turbo application (with staged boost control) will be just as fast with hp being the same. With this being said, I have seen mid 200 hp all motor cars just leave 300+ hp turbo cars behind fighting for traction. Its all in the setup of the car and traction is everything.
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Old Apr 22, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by busted-B18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all motor is quicker because of less torque and this enables the car to hook. now mind you, this is just to a certain extent cause a properly setup turbo application (with staged boost control) will be just as fast with hp being the same. With this being said, I have seen mid 200 hp all motor cars just leave 300+ hp turbo cars behind fighting for traction. Its all in the setup of the car and traction is everything.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you kidding me?

Assume they are both on slicks...and have an even suspension setup..

The motor w/the better powerband....will win..period...

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