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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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Ok, once again another NOOB post.

Got questions on the Distributar and setting its Position perfect.

I was told I dont know what the F$%k im doing when I set it straight in the middle.

Motor:
Slow *** D15B7 SOHC
d16Z6 Head gasket
Intake
Header
2.5 mandrel bent cat back

I set it back to factoy? specs
But when I had it advanced(toawrds the front of the car) I got good gas mileage.

Ok ok, I dont know what im doing here, so knowlage me.

I figured/assumed, advancing ignition timing( pulling disributar towars the front of the car) made it spark sooner.
And retarding(facing toward the firewall) made it fire later.

With my mods & 93 octain where should my Dizzy be located?
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Default Re: Ignition Timing??? (zx2gotboost)

jesus christ..

YOU NEED A TIMING LIGHT TO ADJUST OR SET YOUR TIMING

how much clearer do i need to be for you to understand? there is no set area on the distributor where your timing is correct. i and other people have told you this **** in the other thread!

BTW twords the firewall is advanced, twords the front is retarded. and running 93 octane is POINTLESS on your car. octane is a measuer of how hard it is for fuel to burn. the higher the number the harder it is to burn. running 93 in a nearly stock single cam is only making less power.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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ok ok, another thing I wasnt aware of, guess ill use 89?

And when I say towards the front of the car, I mean, the farthest pojnt to which the bolt will go.

Kinda explains the lil "poping" i hear in the exhaust from time to time........
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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Don't ask questions answered by the repair manual.
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 08:39 PM
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2 things before I go...

>Raises hand and says "yes, I am declaired a NOOB"

> looks for his Haynes repair manual now!

goodnight
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Old Dec 25, 2005 | 08:44 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zx2gotboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2 things before I go...

&gt;Raises hand and says "yes, I am declaired a NOOB"

&gt; looks for his Haynes repair manual now!

goodnight </TD></TR></TABLE>

HELMS

http://www.helminc.com

haynes blows
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 05:36 AM
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 06:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zx2gotboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^</TD></TR></TABLE>
dude

what else do you want to know?
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 12:13 PM
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Just liek to have lots of opinon, better yet, experiences.........
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 01:52 PM
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First, your fuel. You don't need to use 93 or 89 octane. Plain 87 "regular" is all your engine requires. You aren't getting any benefit from running the higher octane, and are simply wasting money.

For the timing, just pick up an inexpensive timing light and use this online how-to, care of C-Speed Racing: http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...g.php
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Old Dec 26, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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ok, Thank you! I was asking though, Advancing the timing have any benifit?

I advanced it before and I got alot better gas mileage......
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Old Dec 31, 2005 | 12:03 PM
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According to your description up top you NEVER advanced your distributer.

Here's a good rule of thumb for setting your timing w/o a timing light...

When you rotate the dist. towards the "advanced machine" which is your car then you are ADVANCING it...

When you turn it towards the retard (whoever would stand at the front of a car and adjust the timing w/o a light) you are RETARDING it...

Sorry LOL couldn't resist...

Oh and FYI to all 93 is generally more refined than lower grades of gas... not at all stations but at a good deal it is... thereby running cleaner in the engine.
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Old Dec 31, 2005 | 12:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh and FYI to all 93 is generally more refined than lower grades of gas... not at all stations but at a good deal it is... thereby running cleaner in the engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where did you source this information from?
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Old Dec 31, 2005 | 12:37 PM
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At the VERY least Amaco further refines their premium fuel.

Shell and Texaco (although I'm not too up on this lately) add much more detergents to their premium fuels which will prevent carbon build up on engine parts which othewise rob power.

The texaco one used to be called "clean system 3" and it was their premium fuel... now I'm not sure what it's called but it has additives to clean/prevent deposits.

Shells current one is V-Power same deal basically it has a LOT more detergents than their 87 or 89.

BOTH claim to increase performance through either cleaning existing deposits or preventing the same from forming...

Also keep in mind that with higher octane fuel your computer will likely run more aggressive timing giving you more power; or you can tune more aggressively since it will not detonate as easily.
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Old Dec 31, 2005 | 01:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At the VERY least Amaco further refines their premium fuel.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd still like to see actual information positively confirming this, since additive packages are typically the only differences between brands (the fuel itself having come "pre-refined" from the national pipeline network).

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shell and Texaco (although I'm not too up on this lately) add much more detergents to their premium fuels which will prevent carbon build up on engine parts which othewise rob power.

The texaco one used to be called "clean system 3" and it was their premium fuel... now I'm not sure what it's called but it has additives to clean/prevent deposits.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This appears for the most part to be true, though we are forced to rely upon the corporate websites for this information, and I have yet to see any actual analysis of the different additive packages.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shells current one is V-Power same deal basically it has a LOT more detergents than their 87 or 89.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Again, this is based upon Shell's own claims, and the website doesn't provide information as to the actual differences among formulations. I am not implying that the company is being dishonest in its advertising, just that the benefits of the "super-cleaning" formulas over quality 87 octane fuel may not be as significant as they would have consumers believe.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NonovUrbizniz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also keep in mind that with higher octane fuel your computer will likely run more aggressive timing giving you more power; or you can tune more aggressively since it will not detonate as easily.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is only to a certain extent. If your car's ECU is tuned for regular fuel and no detonation occurs with it, you won't realize any additional performance with higher-octane premium. However, if you are custom tuning the ECU on a modified motor, you are correct that premium fuel will allow you to run more aggressive maps.
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Old Dec 31, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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OK well here we go...

Amoco "ultimate" is their premium fuel... depending on what market you are in you can or cannot get "ultimate CLEAR"... it is clear as water because it is refined more than most gas.

BUT... apparently the FTC sued them for not substantiating their claims that it improved performance and engine life...

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/02/amoco.htm

NOW here's my .02...

If you buy a calibri torch lighter they require that you use their triple refined butane instead of normal butane that most places sell...

I had a bunch of these and one was a clear bottom one that you could see the fuel... If you used the normal stuff it was yellow (like gas)... if you used the triple refined expensive stuff it was clear (like amoco clear).

At the time my friend worked in a smoke shop that sold these lighters and the fuels... SPARE NONE every single person who used the crappier gas in the nicer lighters ended up having all kinds of problems with the lighter... they were getting clogged and not dispursing the fuel properly. He and I have both had IDENTICAL lighters to those who's stopped working that have lasted for over 10 years...

I'd say the cleaner your fuel the better. but again this is just an opinion not a scientifiicly arrived at conclusion.
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