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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 08:02 PM
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after i put in my new master cylinder, the clutch was engaging kind of low. so i messed with it and got it to engage a little higher but now i have 2 engagement points! i have one real low on the pedal and one high (the one it's supposed to be.

why could this be?

when i first start off the car, it will catch on the lowest engagement point first and it gives me a lot of clutch chatter. now when i go to shift, if i don't push the clutch in to far, i can just use the 2nd engagement point (up high) which is MUCH smoother.

i know that when i was adjusting the master cylinder, i adjusted the rod to it's limits both ways just for a second (for easy of adjustment). could that have ruined the master cylinder?

i bled the system also and it has good pressure. the clutch is a new oem exedy unit. the flywheel was NOT resurfaced and i know it should have been, but i didn't have a choice b/c the dipshit put it the flywheel back in not resurfaced without telling me.

also, just to get the clutch to engage properly, it had to be adjusted way high. the clutch heigh is very high and the MC rod is almost out of the threads on the little bracket thing on the clutch pedal.


any ideas suggestions? i'm gonna bleed the clutch again and see what happens but i don't think it could be that. i think i may have FUBAR'ed another master cylinder by playing with it so much.
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 08:16 PM
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Default Re: 2 clutch engagements? wth? (yOnKiNaToR)

Try this...

Push down the clutch pedal.
Put your car in 1st gear.
Rev it to 2000RPM.
Keep holding down the clutch pedal for awhile.

Does it start to grab after 30 seconds?


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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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Default Re: 2 clutch engagements? wth? (cpforyou)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cpforyou &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Try this...

Push down the clutch pedal.
Put your car in 1st gear.
Rev it to 2000RPM.
Keep holding down the clutch pedal for awhile.

Does it start to grab after 30 seconds?


</TD></TR></TABLE>

i tried this, and no, it never grabs. however, i did notice that right after doing this, the clutch engaged extremely close to the floor. but then, after riding on the highway with the cool air, the clutch went back to 1 engagement point at the correct place and it drove smooth as butter. i'm stumped.

i heard something about a bearing in the tranny that gave similar problems. i guess the resolution was to take the tranny off and lube this bearing or replace it.

the only other thing i heard of was that if you screw the push rod of the MC to far in or out that it can harm the MC. i don't know if there is any truth to this.

i think i'm gonna try gravity bleeding it this time and see what happens. maybe i still have a little air in the system.
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 10:44 AM
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tried bleeding it. no help. any other simple ideas? could it be the slave cylinder?
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 12:09 PM
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Default Re: 2 clutch engagements? wth? (yOnKiNaToR)

I know the feeling of having a clutch gremlin. I had a similar problem with my OEM clutch. It was old and I doubt that it is the problem, but one of the clutch springs popped out, and was wedged between the flywheel and the clutch. It wouldn't totally disengage the tranny so I grinded gears every shift. Sometimes it worked great, and others it would shudder alot(usually when it was hot).
It was a bad deal, all because the MC went out and I over heated the clutch.

I hope this isn't what happened. I know that the tech said it was known to happen on the OEM clutch.

Bump for suck clutch
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 12:59 PM
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this clutch is new and only has 20-30k miles on it. it's an oem exedy unit and i got a new pressure plate and throwout bearing with it. i didn't resurface the flywheel so i think that's why i get clutch chatter.


anyway, i know that i adjusted the clutch too tight once and the tranny must have gotten REAL hot cause i couldn't shift gears.

sometimes it's fine and sometimes it catches real close to the floor. it varies A LOT but usually carries a pattern.

i think i'm gonna buy a new slave cylinder. maybe it's shot and causing it. if that's not it, i'm gonna have to live with it b/c i don't have the time or money to have the tranny dropped.

all i know is that's DAMN hard to drive. almost impossible to drive at low speeds. (or at any speed in 1st gear). it bucks and chatters so much at low speed (1st gear) that i have to either slip the **** out of it, bog in 2nd gear, or get going a little and ride in neutral.
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 04:11 PM
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Default Re: 2 clutch engagements? wth? (yOnKiNaToR)

It's been awhile but i have an UPDATE.

i've finally figured out that the line going to the slave cylinder is leaking. so i replaced this line, but it's still leaking! The slave cylinder is also new. It look as though the fluid is coming out of the threads and the top part of where the line ends.

"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid200/pb80d302ea4e8cdd673cacf6670ad47d1/f058e549.jpg.orig.jpg"
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bottom right of pic. fluid is leaking out the threads of the clutch pipe.

any ideas on how to fix this? teflon tape maybe? jb weld the f'er shut? silicon around it?
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Old Jan 31, 2006 | 04:14 PM
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Default Re: 2 clutch engagements? wth? (yOnKiNaToR)

I would atleast try the teflon tape. make sure you didn't cross thread it, those brass fittings are pretty soft.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 04:59 PM
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if i did cross thread it am i screwed? is there any way of fixing it besides using a tap and die set?
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