In both cases, the engines mentioned below would be torn down and rebuilt with aftermarket pistons and rods. The cost of doing this appears to be roughly the same for both engines, so it is not listed in the below chart.

In both cases, a custom turbo kit will be fitted to the engine.

My goal is to hit about 225-250whp and run mid-12's with the car. It is an 87 CRX Si.

A local wrecking yard has an 87 Integra with a D16A1 and has told me that I can basically come and take the entire drivetrain and anything attached to it for ~1000.00 USD. That price is open to negotiation.



Obviously, the B series engine is a superior setup, but it is twice as expensive to get started and it's illegal (a big concern for me).

What kind of power do you guys think I can realistically make on a built D16A1?

Thanks,
Sonny

PS-Much of this info was gleaned from 3rdgencivic.com and honda-perf.com. Thanks to the guys on those sites for supplying the info!


[Modified by Sonnyballs, 2:22 AM 3/8/2002]

 

My opinion is that the cost of rebuilding either engine is similar to the extra $ it would cost to get a USDM b16 swap. For the extra $, you'll be smog legal, and be capable of getting 250whp out of the stock block. Plus, down the road if you get really greedy, you can build up that block as well.

I would much rather get a smog legal USDM b16 than a fully built JDM b16 that I have to pull off every two years (or more often if a cop gives you a smog ref citation), especially since your goal is only 250whp or so.

 

ok, i wouldnt buy a wrecked integra for 1000...thats so dam high, you shouldnt spend more than 500 for an 87 integra...

i personally would go with the d16a over the b16a in a 1st gen, a lot easier swap...then just turbo it and have a decently fast car...

 

USDM b18c thats what i am doing.... i hope

 

**** that. 1000 is waaay too much just for the drivetrain. not too bad of a price at all...if you get the whole car for that amount. you can use the drivetrain, seats, rear discs, and a lot more if you swindle the whole car. i don't know what condition it's in, but ****, i'd try and get the whole car for that 1000 or less.

 

1200 is also slightly overpriced for the B16/tranny/ECU

 

theres a daily driven EF hatchback with a built d16a running high 12s all motor in my area

 

Your lists crack me up. 30 bucks for a timing belt.....Let me guess...saving money and not going OEM? Also, some of that stuff should come with the new motor...if not you can rob off of yours.

 

hehe, i used to do that a long time ago. Make a list and say ok were gona do this and stick to it. But the i realized nothing goeas according to plan! just start buying parts and pray. Dont cheap out on parts either, youll pay for it later.

 

Don't buy the teg engine for any $1000, I can get you a whole 89 car for $500. I would go with a ZC over that any day. Besides, you could get a B16 from a Delsol for less and not worry about emissions problems, IMO.

 

1000 bucks, junkyard teg! Damn acuras/hondas Do have good resale value! HAHA c'mon I spent 700 for my 90 crx running and driving, and I spent 300 on a 88 HB that ran like a top. I wouldn't mess with a motor that is 16 years old. Geez, have we forgotten about the WONDERFUL ZC? so cheap, so great.

 

You guys are overlooking a key point. I live in California and want a legal setup. It's just not worth the hassle if I get pulled over and get sent to a smog ref. Plus, I have to smog the bitch every 2 years anyway. This puts constraints on what I can do if I wanna do it legally and headache-free.

Sonny