alright, i have gotten enough advice from you guys about my setup. you guys have helped me along quite well.

now i am wondering is there anything i can do to keep the longevity of my car. meaning build up the block, etc. im a little worried that once my turbo setup goes on that even after i get the car tuned that there is a chance things may go wrong and perhaps i blow my engine or something. i understand this is a common threat to everyone with a turbo setup.

what are some things that i can do to limit this scare. meaning like rods, or anything i can do to beef up my engine to handle the power and this way here have less stress on my motor. also, could you give me a price range. i'd like to do everything to car this winter....get it all done at once. so what are some things that can help me out?? i want a strong all around engine so i dont have to worry about anything......as you all have seen. ill be boosting very low. around 7psi or so, no higher.

 

for starters what ar your goals? If you beef up the internals with some rods rings and pistons you would be fine on low WHP amounts. you can always sleeve it. You can get anything with money so its really up to you

 

I wouldn't touch my motor if I only planned on running 7 PSI....

Tune it WELL and take care of it. Your engine should last.

 

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Tune it WELL and take care of it. Your engine should last.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this was my original plan. but i was just checking to see what other things i could do to keep up the reliability. my goals are around 250whp at 7psi...and keeping it there. probably running a precision sc50 and the rest of the parts are all new and top of the line. going through ben at import parts, arturbo and flamenco-t. a few others aswell. i will be tuning with hondata s200b and it will most likely be done by Greg Samaroo (aka cheetah). so hopefully this is very reliable and puts down the power i want with the reliability.

 

All you really need to do if thats all you want if make sure you have a nice fuel setup and good tuning and you will definately be alright at 7psi, If I was you i would plan on eventually upgrading because you will want more! Good luck

 

building your engine for 7psi would be the biggest waste of money ever

 

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lol...ive seen worse Stock can handle that and alot more...

 

are you seriously building up for 7 psi only?
like IMPULSE said, itll be a waste of money if you are buiilding up to run 7 psi.
just run stock block at 7 psi, with good tuning, 7 psi is cake.

now if you are planning on turning up boost at track or something like that then go ahead for rebuild. personally, i would boost until something blows. but thats just me.

 

i have an LS crx, with a max rev kit (t3/t04e), blockguard, 9.1:1 je pistons, eagle rods, hondata 2b, wolbro 255lph, and 550cc injectors...plan on boosting 10psi and just wanted to know what you guys thought about that boost level (i.e. safe? too much? too little? just right?) considering the motor mods i have. thanks

im kinda like the the guy that started this post and am nervous about blowing **** up...any suggestions as far as things i could do as a precaution (i.e. like a rev limiter to prevent the motor from blowing up case i miss a gear) ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by inspecta83 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have an LS crx, with a max rev kit (t3/t04e), blockguard, 9.1:1 je pistons, eagle rods, hondata 2b, wolbro 255lph, and 550cc injectors...plan on boosting 10psi and just wanted to know what you guys thought about that boost level (i.e. safe? too much? too little? just right?) considering the motor mods i have. thanks

im kinda like the the guy that started this post and am nervous about blowing **** up...any suggestions as far as things i could do as a precaution (i.e. like a rev limiter to prevent the motor from blowing up case i miss a gear) ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

with your pistons and rods, you could probably run up to 14-15 psi if tuned properly on 93 octane.... at least I would if I had built internals... btw, i ran 103 traps w/ just a stock ls and 10 psi on a t3t4b turbo in a hatch unstripped... so u should do better...

 

You won't need to sleeve your block unless you plan on running more than 15psi. I have seen people push stock sleeves even more. Just get some internals.

 

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what internals are you talking about exactly?

 

pistons and rods

 

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with your pistons and rods, you could probably run up to 14-15 psi if tuned properly on 93 octane.... at least I would if I had built internals... btw, i ran 103 traps w/ just a stock ls and 10 psi on a t3t4b turbo in a hatch unstripped... so u should do better...</TD></TR></TABLE>


14psi?! dam, thats very encouraging...i was nervous about running too much boost b/c as i said b4 im going for longevity with this set up and dont want anything to blow up. im beginning to come to the realization that with my set up 10 psi might be waaaay too conservative and im thinking about maybe running 12 or 13psi @ the most. if i should decide to do that, i know that i'd have to buy a GM 3-bar map sensor (any suggestions on where i can get one? and how much $ ?) and i wanted to know if there was anything else i'd have to do/buy to accomodate the additional boost? thanks alot

 

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14psi?! dam, thats very encouraging...i was nervous about running too much boost b/c as i said b4 im going for longevity with this set up and dont want anything to blow up. im beginning to come to the realization that with my set up 10 psi might be waaaay too conservative and im thinking about maybe running 12 or 13psi @ the most. if i should decide to do that, i know that i'd have to buy a GM 3-bar map sensor (any suggestions on where i can get one? and how much $ ?) and i wanted to know if there was anything else i'd have to do/buy to accomodate the additional boost? thanks alot</TD></TR></TABLE>

dont be scared to run alot boost on a built engine, you can run atleast 14-17psi safely if tuned properly. do a serch for the gm 3 bar map sensor for the part number.

 

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14psi?! dam, thats very encouraging...i was nervous about running too much boost b/c as i said b4 im going for longevity with this set up and dont want anything to blow up. im beginning to come to the realization that with my set up 10 psi might be waaaay too conservative and im thinking about maybe running 12 or 13psi @ the most. if i should decide to do that, i know that i'd have to buy a GM 3-bar map sensor (any suggestions on where i can get one? and how much $ ?) and i wanted to know if there was anything else i'd have to do/buy to accomodate the additional boost? thanks alot</TD></TR></TABLE>

I run 1 bar with pump gas with all stock internals, you can run alot more with your engine...Turn up the boost

 

thats comforting news...i found a 3 bar map sensor on ebay, is this the one that i would need??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...17316

i think i'll keep the boost @ around 12-13 psi. btw, anyone know what the approx. HP would on that with my set up? and im assuming that my 550cc's would be enuff to support that kind of boost? thanks again

 

How long would a stock GSR last on 14psi though?

 

I'm in the same boat. I only plan on boosting about 7 psi on the greddy kit w/hondata, and yes, it will probably cost some dough to build up the engine. It's all up to you though. True, it may not be needed. Just gotta ask yourself if the money is worth the piece of mind.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by inspecta83 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats comforting news...i found a 3 bar map sensor on ebay, is this the one that i would need??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...17316

i think i'll keep the boost @ around 12-13 psi. btw, anyone know what the approx. HP would on that with my set up? and im assuming that my 550cc's would be enuff to support that kind of boost? thanks again</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think you understand, teh boost that you run is really meaning less, you could run 20+ psi on a tiny turbo and make under 300whp....i would say 350whp is SAFE and reliable with your setup. It does't really matter the amount of boost that it will take you to achieve that, it all depends on your turbo size, how aggressive/conservative your tune is, etc...Boost is just a number, how much power your making means ALOT more.

 

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I don't think you understand, teh boost that you run is really meaning less, you could run 20+ psi on a tiny turbo and make under 300whp....i would say 350whp is SAFE and reliable with your setup. It does't really matter the amount of boost that it will take you to achieve that, it all depends on your turbo size, how aggressive/conservative your tune is, etc...Boost is just a number, how much power your making means ALOT more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well...from your experience, judging from my set up (b18b crx, t3/t04e max rev kit, wolbro 255 lph pump, 550cc injectors, blockguard, valvetrain, rods, pistons, hondata 2b) give me a ballpark figure on how much WHP you think 10-12 psi would yield AND approx how much psi do you think it would take to yield approx 300whp? b/c thats my current goal... thanks again.

 

what size t3/t04e? i have a 60 trim .63ar and it took around 13psi to hit 300whp on a b16a, i would say around 14psi for 300whp...it all really depends on how your tune is, agressive timing, a/f, etc....

 

From my past experiences, i would never boost another honda without building up the engine. These motors were not made for boost, even though alot of people have good luck theres no better safe bet then to drop teh compression down some with some forged internals.

 

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what were you running for fuel managment? i do agree about the compression, although you can do it the cheap way via a headgasket for 300-400whp

 

Amoug other things you should look into a few often overlooked methods ie ceramic coating, and cryotreating. Both of these will add considerable life and strength to your engine.

Here's a good link about the effectiveness of ceramic coating.

http://users.wpi.edu/~ktarry/ceramicmarc.html

Jake d.