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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 12:57 AM
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I have a 1989 Honda Crx Hf with a 1992 Integra swap and I just finished changing the clutch. After I put everything back together the clutch pedal was extremely light. So I went and adjusted the cable and no matter where I adjust the pedal doesn't seem stiff enough. Its a 6 puck sprung clutch so I'd expect it to be harder to press then a stock crx clutch and its not.

So I took out the cable and manually pushed the clutch arm up and had my girlfriend turn the car over, Nothing happens except the one click sound like the starter isn't working. I double check that the starter ground and everything else is plugged in including the transmisson ground. Nothing still, so I directly apply 12 volts to the start to see if it will spin, nothing. I know the starter isn't bad I just bought it brand new from Autozone...... Please someone with some advice.

Cliffnotes: New clutch install, Car won't start, clutch pedal no pressure, Adjusted cable, Manually pushed up clutch arm, Double checked Grounds and Starter wires, Still won't start.

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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 07:02 AM
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 07:39 AM
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as far as the pressure goes either A:u didnt replace the throwout bearing and its bad so ur loosing pressure, or B:it has to do with the spring on the back of the pedal itsself.....as far as it not starting its either ur starter or ur battery....check it with a mulitmeter....good luck
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:30 AM
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I might know your delimma man.

One time we were putting a B18C in a friends EK and we had an LS tranny right....we put an Fidanza flywheel and an ACT clutch w/ACT PP. When we connect the tranny and we were trying to turn the crank for something, it would not move.

we check to see if everything was good, the motor we know it was good cause it was a working motor when we took it off right. Then we seperated the tranny again to see if the tranny was bad cause this is the first time that this tranny was going in after we bought it. We manually turned the input shaft and it was fine...listened for grinds or anything out of the ordaniary that might cause the engine not to turn.

Then all of a suddenly I noticed a mark on the Tranny, right on the bell housing where there is a bump to clear the differential (note the yellow area).


The flywheel teeth was hitting that area. It was not by much but it was enough to stop the crank from turning. My suggestion was to return the flywheel and get another one but the my other friend was like...lets shave the teeth on the flywheel down a bit and it will be fine. And they did that and sure enough it clears and it was free to turn over.

So if you have a Fidanza flywheel then this might happen to you...if not then well something else came loose on you while you were putting the tranny in. You might have to drop the tranny off and check before something else happens.

Good luck man.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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Hmmm, I really don't have time to drop the tranny again, I remember putting on everything correctly.... Question, If I run a 12 v wire to the starter solinoid it should cause it to spin right? Mine is just sparking and thats all..... but I know the starters good so what else could that mean? Is there some type of fuse?

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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 02:44 PM
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CRX T-si that is some great info thanks for not making that complicated. If you have adjusted the clutch cable and still have no pedal I would say that you have to drop the tranny again and see where you freaked up
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 03:04 PM
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Yup, try the hotwire trick. If you've got a little length of wire with an alligator clip on one end, that makes it easier; clip it to the smaller of the two wires on the starter (the one with the spade connector, not the one that's held on with a nut), then touch the other end to the battery's positive terminal. If the starter's good, it should kick right over.

Not sure, but did the '89 HF have the clutch-interlock switch on the clutch pedal? I know several people (myself included, on my '91 DX) who've had that little plastic stopper crumble apart from age, and it ends up causing about the same situation - no start, no crank, nothing but a click.

Hope that helps. As for the transmission/clutch issue, it sounds like you're probably going to have to drop the tranny to see what's going on. Could the spring on the throwout bearing possibly have gotten installed wrong? I've done it before... and I generally don't consider myself a complete idiot (but I could be wrong!).

Good luck with it, and let us know what it turns out to be.

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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 03:53 PM
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just because you bought a new starter doesn't mean its good.....I just bought one for my 72 cutlass put it in and no go. Switched the new solenoid to the old starter and bam worked fine, so the brand new starter i bought = no good. Just an FYI not saying yours is bad .......
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 05:06 PM
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yeah I also agree that all "new" rebuilt starters are not good, seems af if more are bad then good. I work in a small repair shop, and we have put on 3 rebuilt starters in a row before finding a good one.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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Update:

Just got back from autozone, Battery good, Starter Good!!!! What the f! I'm thinking the only thing it could be is somewhere between the postive battery cable and the starter is messed up..... I don't know what else to do. Is there some way I can measure with my multimeter other then for 12 volts? Cause I know it has 12 v.

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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 06:04 PM
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The clutch switch (the switch that tells the electronics that the clutch pedal is depressed) is a somewhat common problem. Check that before you go dropping the clutch. After hotwiring the starter and checking what I mentioned you're going to have to drop it again to find out what you messed up.
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Old Aug 22, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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Update # 2: Fixed the clutch issue, it is now engaging/ disenganging, the cable has way too much slack even at full tightness I think it was stretched during the reinstallion so I'm gonna pick up a new one but for now I have it jerry rigged by pulling the clutch cable out of the grommet by the firewall.

The problem is I still can't get the mfer to start. I've directly applied 12 volts to the solienoid. I have tried having the car jump starting while applying 12 volt....I've tried everything and just sparks yet over at Autozone it spins perfectly on their machine.... Is there some cable I'm not plugging in??? Solienoid plug, battery to post???? Thats it right??? Someone help I need my car to get to work tomorrow :/.

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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 05:12 AM
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You keep on trying to start the car with the starter and for some reason the starter is not turning the flywheel. The starter produces alot of torque so if it's not turning the crank/flywheel then something is obstructing.

Have you tried turning the crank by hand??

If you can't turn it by hand then you need to drop that tranny before something else breaks.

There are no fuses on the starter if you jump it, I mean it has the constant ground so if you apply + to the terminal and it won't turn then something is not right.

You never mentioned what kind of flywheel you have....
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Old Aug 23, 2005 | 09:45 PM
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Update #3:

Success!!!! I am offically retarted as well. It was a bad transmisson ground cable, the innards had corroded. I was like "WTF ISN"T THE STARTER TRYING TO CRANK IF ITS BEING JUMPED THEN" Cause the transmisson ground wasn't good the starter was never getting a ground!!! DUH!!! I'd like to thank everyone for there help!

Thanks. Adam
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