i have always built n/a stuff, i like n/a stuff. don't make fun of me for it. then one day my boss bought a galant vr4. pretty cool car until he beat it too hard and the oil turned silver with shavings from the main bearings.

now-i have been enlisted to make a beast...but since i am very unfamiliar with turbo stuff i am requesting opinions and help.

currently installed done on the engine:

2g pistons and rings (standard bore)
1g crank remains
balance shafts removed w/ road race engineering kit
new h2o pump
new oil pump
new front and rear crank seals and rear crank housing
milled head .0020
crower retainers
crower valvesprings
stock valves
hks cams
stock cam gears
still running dsm 450's on stock intake manifold
all piping is (or is going to be for the parts i am yet to compile) 2.25" stainless
cometic THICK 3 layer head gasket

as far as the engine goes i do not believe i will be doing anymore to the guts. my issues are external now.

the turbo that was purchased for this is the evo3 16g that road race engineering sells (internally wastegated like stock). and everything else is still stock (tiny fmic, dv/bov, and piping has not yet been made but the intent is 2.5" since teh "j=pipe" that is attached to the throttle body is already in place is that diameter)

that is the background-here are the questions

wtf should i use for air/fuel control, boost control, and what is a cost effective turbo timer. does anyone make all of this stuff in one unit?

really not looking forward to finishing this-but it will pay well.

 

no love for the honda guy stuck fixing mitsubullshit?

 

Did you check the address in your browser bar? Maybe try http://www.mitsubishi-tech.com

 

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For air/fuel dsmlink is the way to go, unless you don't have the $, then just get an afc.

Turbo timers are only like $80-100, no idea if someone makes an all in one unit.

Dsmtalk and dsmtuners.com are two websites worth mention.

 

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**** off...air/fuel management is genereally the same for most imports so i am assking for help and valid opinions.

 

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For air/fuel dsmlink is the way to go, unless you don't have the $, then just get an afc.

Turbo timers are only like $80-100, no idea if someone makes an all in one unit.

Dsmtalk and dsmtuners.com are two websites worth mention.
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well an avc-r, an safc, and a tt are about 900 altogether. so if dsm link and a tt is less than that or about the same i am all for it. is this like chrome (freeware and chip burning or is this gonna be a piggyback or is it a standalone like the aem?

 

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wtf should i use for air/fuel control, boost control, and what is a cost effective turbo timer. does anyone make all of this stuff in one unit?

really not looking forward to finishing this-but it will pay well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would suggest using an S-AFC (v1 or v2), but that is not THAT necessary as the only air/fuel mod you ahve done is the 16g. You dont really need one that bad yet bc you are still running stock injectors and what amounts to a stock replacement turbo.

That being said, should your customer decide to do it right and upgrade his injectors ( ), use a Jeff O chip (dsmchips.com) and a new pump.

As for boost control, $15 Home Depot Performance model will suffice. And finally, the most cost effective turbo timer I've found is a good mix CD.

 

awesome...thanks.

 

a HRC 20g would be good if you are going to stick with the 2g manifold...if not a pte 50 trim would be gravy

 

going with the 16g as it was shipped yesterday. mbc here we come.

 

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If you haven't noticed with we help any topic even if it could be a kia its forced induction related.

 

Hey!
I'd say, if he wants to do it right, go for the AEM EMS. I know you can control boost with it with a GM boost solenoid...
Personally, I have an AGP RS52 (flows 52lb/min- I believe the 16g flows 32lb/min, but I am most likely wrong on the flow capacity of the 16g) on a 2nd gen manifold; a JR intercooler and 2.5 inch intercooler piping (he, JR, did awesome work and fabbed everything up while I waited and then we installed my new turbo, intercooler and piping- it was the first intercooler and piping he did with the just released- at the time- RS52 and he can be reached at (503)504-2504); for fuel managment I have the Maf Translator (it was called Horsepower in a box and was only $199, but they recently changed their name- it allows you to get rid of the restrictive MAS and use a bigger GM MAF- it has an injector size selector and three more ***** to control low, mid, and full throttle fuelling to fine tune- it is really easy to tune with a wideband, it took me about an hour to get my car running better and faster than it ever had); i have RC 550cc injectors, a bigger fuel pump, and a Greddy blow-off valve (from my knowledge, you can only vent to the atmosphere really well with the AEM EMS or the Translator with the GM MAF- really the stock blowoff valve works very well, so you don't really need an aftermarket one).
Sorry to ramble.... I accidently ordered the AGP RS52 instead of the RS49, and don't have enough airflow to take full advantage of it- so I still need HK$ cams and possibly an intakemanifold too, to be able to use the RS52 to it's full potential.... Then I would need bigger injectors too.... It's never ending....
In short, get the AEM EMS, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump, Toyota Supra sidemount intercooler, or JR front mount intercooler- highly recommended, or get the GM MAF Translator instead of the AEM EMS....
Good luck!

 

i don't think i am going to go the route fo the the gm maf and translator since i just encountered a 2nd gen maf and some piping for free.

 

yeah if you have the cash AEM is the way to go for sure. and you can get rid of that stupid MAF and go speed density.

anyway get some 660cc injectors and afc or DSM link if you don't have the cash for a AEM. that should allow 22-24psi on a good tune with that turbo. your motor set up is well enough to handle way more power than that evo 16g. go big or go home dude. get a GT35R

 

daily driver fun with an engine more capable down the line is the goal for now.

it will retain the 450's and the 16g for now and for ease of tuning.

 

I still think you should upgrade the fuel some... I am at the same position with my car (big 16g, no fuel yet), and while being fun, I can't wait to get my pump/injectors/chip on.

Do those three, crank it to ~15psi, and it will be one hell of a fun daily driver.

Oh if you want to, go to extremepsi.com, they have a DSM fuel management special (S-afc2, your choice of injector, and 255lph) for like $700 or so i think

 

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Most definitely

 

MAF &gt; MAP AEM can use both for the ultimate combo.

 

For tuning, just get a dsmchip.com reprogrammed EPROM and borrow a pocket logger to make sure everything runs well. You can get fuel and ignition compensation for the 2G MAF and higher compression. I would not recommend the more aggressive ignition maps that he offers unless it is going to be used strictly on 93 octane. Even then, I would just get a conservative ignition map and plan on cranking up the boost.

Guys are running 25+ PSI on the Evo 16G dipping into the 11s on 3300 pounds cars. The Evo 16g is actually rated at 44 pounds/min and is quite the nasty little turbo considering how well it spools.

2.25" is on the small side for the exhaust. I'd do a 3" turboback with 2.5" IC piping using a good FMIC. With the DSMchip you can run 950s pretty easily, just get a Walbro 255HP at the least. Since it's AWD, just get a manual boost controller. A ball and srping style controller and that turbo will make for some serious seat-of-the-pants torque in the mid range.

Just a general statement, DSMs respond pretty well to fat A/F ratios, conservative timing advance and lots of boost. If it comes down to running it lean and efficient at lower boost or cranking the boost and drowning it in fuel, the later will likely make a bunch more power and be more fun to drive.

 

charge pipes are 2.25. exhaust is custom 3" stainless. worked that out yesterday.