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Old May 2, 2005 | 06:53 PM
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I know there are like 20 of these posts, BUT mine is a bit different. I have an 89 si with 160,000 miles, and every morning when i start it, it turns over about 10 times before it starts. It does start every time, but takes about 10 rotations before it will start. THEN

For the rest of the day when I try to start the car, it starts right away without hesitation just like my other 3 hondas. I'm thinking its either ignition or gas, because if the compression was screwed it would always have trouble starting, also it haas good power once it's running. It just seems like once its warmed up it has no problems. Anybody got ideas on what would cause this, only the first time i start the car each day?
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Old May 2, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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Try turning the key to the 'on' position, then waiting for the fuel pump to bring the system up to pressure and shut itself off (usually about the same time the 'check engine' light shuts off), then start the car.

That's what I do w/ mine, as the car sits aparently the fuel works it's way out of the fuel rail and back down the lines so it takes a second to re-pressurize the system. If you start cranking right away it's trying to presurize and feed the engine at the same time.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Louie B. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Try turning the key to the 'on' position, then waiting for the fuel pump to bring the system up to pressure and shut itself off (usually about the same time the 'check engine' light shuts off), then start the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>



It also could be your coolant sensor. It could be corroded and when your car is cold, it could be sending the wrong signal.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 08:44 PM
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i bet it just needs a tune-up. if your dist cap has a small crack in it, the moisture that gets inside in the morning will cause it to have trouble starting. or it just won't start at all.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 08:50 PM
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So i should check the distributor cap, plugs, wires, coolant temp sensor, and check out this fuel presurization issue. I'm also thinking about trying a bottle of that sea foam stuff for good measure.

Any other suggestions?
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Old May 2, 2005 | 08:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Killa-X &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm also thinking about trying a bottle of that sea foam stuff for good measure.

Any other suggestions?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, search for sea form and look for my name. I am highly against putting this in your oil. Just use water if your looking to clean the inside of your engine, it will steam clean the inside.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 09:16 PM
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Couldn't find your thread about the sea foam.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 09:29 PM
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I have the exact same problem. In the mornings it takes a lot longer to start it. After that, it will start as fast/faster than most cars. There's also a screeching noise, like a belt that makes a sound and again it's only in the mornings. Maybe our cars are just old...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 90blackcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yeah, search for sea form and look for my name. I am highly against putting this in your oil. Just use <U>water</U> if your looking to clean the inside of your engine, it will steam clean the inside.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sir: Have you ever mixed water and oil? You will get this yellow chemical as a result. Have you ever seen an engine apart that blew up from overheating, blown head gasket. Yes, pull out the dipstick and what do you see? Yellow chemical again. Oil looses all its viscosity once it is mixed with water. As a cause of this, when water gets into the oiling system, generally the first thing that goes is the bearings. I have seen this happen many times. I don't reccomend anyone do this.

I understand why you would think water does this, that is not the point. My point is the repercutions of doing so.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 09:50 PM
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You don't put water in oil, you let your engine suck it up. And it burns up, just like steam cleaning the inside of your engine.

Do a little search and you shall see
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Old May 2, 2005 | 09:55 PM
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It's ok for cars to start a little slower in the morning, when the oil is cold and sludgy, and the battery has a little less voltage than it would if it was warm.

edit: but 10 rotations seems a lil excessive. Like others said, try a tune up.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 10:01 PM
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My engine is kept in optimal condition and tune up is out of question. I'm thinking it might be caused by the parts installed from the MPFI swap. Injectors, wires, sensors, etc...
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Old May 2, 2005 | 11:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast88std &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My engine is kept in optimal condition and tune up is out of question. I'm thinking it might be caused by the parts installed from the MPFI swap. Injectors, wires, sensors, etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>

When you did the swap, did you change the distributor ?
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