Ok heres what happened. I have a 94 Accord LX 5spd and today i lost my reverse gear. I pulled out of the parking lot onto the highway and got on it in first, went to second no problem there, then when i went to third i missed it (didnt grind it). So on the way home everything is fine. Keep in mind that when i missed 3rd i was speed shifting. ALL the other gears are fine, no grinding, etc. The clutch is in GREAT condition cause i can move it in 5th gear under 2K rpms.

My friend has a 93 JDM H22a Hatch and he's been through numerous tranny problems. He told me that he thinks i stretched a shift cable. He went on about how strong the trannies are and how he beats the hell outta his and how what i did wont break anything in the tranny. God forbid I broke some teeth off the reverse idler gear etc...But i didnt hear anything break and we drained all the gear oil and found no shrapnal (sp) or anything in it so i dont think i broke any teeth.

But i just thought i'd ask some Accord guys what they think it could be.

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what do you mean missed third? you went into 5th? what am I missing here...

 

well when i say missed i mean it didnt get into gear. It stopped before it had time to get in gear (hence why i said it didnt grind). You know when your in race mode and you speed shifting and you miss the gear. You dont grind it, you just dont get it in the particular gear...hope that made more sense.

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Check your cables.

 

well the friend i said with the hatch in my first post, its at his shop and they're gonna check it out maybe this evening and tomorrow morning for sure. His dad (owner of the shop) said that AT MOST it could be a bent shift fork. He said he believes it in the reverse interlock switch. And my friends gonna check the cables tonight when he gets off work.

But i'll keep you guys posted on what happens.


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i got a similar problem. 3rd gear grinds and reverse doesnt go into to gear sometimes. i have to step on the clutch and slowly feather it will sliding it into reverse and if that doesnt work i have to put it into first and move up a little then put it into reverse.

 

Your tranny is probably going bad, slowly. It's very common to lose reverse and then third gear or second gear. Very common on Accord and Prelude trannys, especially if you have a 94 and its the orginal tranny.

 

ah dont tell me that man. im already depressed as hell right now.

My friends dad told me that he thinks its the reverse interlock switch. He had that happen on one car and it worked. His son (my friend with the H22 hatch) said that he thinks it my shift cables. I'll know tomorrow sometime and let you guys know...

I pray for the best, and prepare for the worst!!!

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Alright, here's from a guy who has actually rebuilt his tranny. How many of you can say that?

Speed shifting is bad.

Before your gears actually engage your synchros touch together to line your actual gear teeth together. Hard to say but its quite possible that your synchros are fried. Reverse by the way has no sychro, that's why you sometimes have to roll the car to get it to engage. On reverse there's also a lever that has to be flipped internally, that's why it takes more force.

You might see if you can get it into gear if you double clutch, but more than likely your syncho is fried. Worse yet the sleeve that slides up and down could have gotten knarled on the backside. That would explain why you can't get reverse. You'd have to look at a schematic to understand what I mean.

You can test the shift cable theory by shifting the tranny by hand under the hood. The longer of the two levers is you shift, the shorter is your select. See if you can get it into gear while its parked engine off. That's what clenched it for me.

It'll probably be cheaper for you to get a used tranny with a warantee on it. That's what I almost did, but I figured I'd tear it apart just to see how it worked. Then I discovered it was a couple knarled teeth that I fixed with a dremel tool!

 

Add me to your cool guy list of people who have rebuilt or attempted to rebuild Accord or Prelude Trannys .

Error, your best bet is if your tranny is done to get a H22 or H23 tranny. You can get em for decent prices in comparision to a f22 tranny, and it will help your performance a lot.

 

well they got the tranny outta the car and have either taken it apart or about to take it apart, but apparently it WASNT the little thing on top of the tranny. so its internal. Regardless of what happens, i know i wont be speed shifting anymore on that tranny. maybe when i drop the Lude 22 in it, i can do a little something something....

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well turns out schmitey was right. It was my synchros that got fried. So they ordered them from Honda but havent received them yet. It shouldnt cost much to fix as to what they told me but if so they will finance me. Mostly cause im a friend of the family that owns the shop....


Thanks for the info guys.


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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raceACCORDingly &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got a similar problem. 3rd gear grinds and reverse doesnt go into to gear sometimes. i have to step on the clutch and slowly feather it will sliding it into reverse and if that doesnt work i have to put it into first and move up a little then put it into reverse. </TD></TR></TABLE>

mine sometimes doesn't go into reverse either...and i have to put it in neutral then press on the clutch then try again til it goes or do what you do and put it into first and move up then back to reverse. is that normal?

 

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yea i've had to do that with 2 hondas that I owned. I don't know what causes it or how to fix it.

 

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yea i've had to do that with 2 hondas that I owned. I don't know what causes it or how to fix it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmmm.

 

well after i found out that i was my synchronizers. They couldnt even get the tranny to go to reverse out of the car and taken apart. So they asked if i'd been having troubles before. I said no. So they think it was just a progressive thing. But its fixed now and thats all that matters and only took a little over a week. So thanks for all the helpful advise guys.


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when you get your syncos replaced, tell me how much it cost you, I might need to get mine done too.

 

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I read on a BMW forum that the way it engages into reverse, most transmissions will do this.

just push the clutch down, put it in first, and quickly pull it into reverse. always works for me, no reason to pull forward.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by http://www.waycoolinc.com/z3/essenti...e/shifting.htm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
SIDE NOTE ON GETTING INTO REVERSE:

Because reverse is done with an actual moving gear (and no synchro's), the car and the intermediate shaft must both be stopped for the gear teeth to match up. This is most commonly a problem if a person wants to go into reverse after the car has been idling in neutral. If one just pushes down the clutch pedal and shifts into reverse, it will grind.

One approach is to simply wait a couple of seconds after pushing down the clutch pedal so that the intermediate shaft can come to a halt before shifting into reverse. To do it faster, you can push down the clutch, shift briefly into one of the forward gears (using its synchro to slow down the intermediate shaft) and then shift instantly into reverse.

To instantly get into reverse after braking in a hard stop (such as when driving a gymkhana course), leave the transmission in the forward gear you were in. At the moment you get to zero speed, the lever can be thrown into reverse (because the intermediate shaft was halted when it was engaged to the last gear), and power can then be immediately applied. </TD></TR></TABLE>

hope this helps

 

Check your motor mounts. When one of my motor mounts on my H22 broke, the engine was not sitting properly. It was hard to get into reverse and I would grind into 5th gear. After the problem has been fixed, the shifts are nice and smooth.

 

lol

 

The reason reverse is hard to get into gear is because it is not synchronized like the other gears. It doesn't need to be because you'd be an idiot to try to slam it in reverse if you're moving forward.

The reason it is harder is because reverse has the furthest to travel. The synchro sleeves have to be free of the gears themselves, and then there is a lever that flips an extra gear into place to go in reverse. You'd really have to see it to understand. With no synchronizer to line up the teeth properly you sometimes have to move the car aka the differential to be able to mesh it. Oftentimes though its simply a matter of momentum to flip the lever, if you put it in first and then into reverse you can get the car into gear.