more hp NA than turbo? wtf?

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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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b20 vtec turbo 11.2-1 cr 4psi boost 187hp & 140 tq
na car ran 200hp & 145 tq
wtf?

only difference between na & turbo is the t3/t4 .57 trim turbo
all internal componets the same

help please!
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 05:41 PM
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Default Re: more hp NA than turbo? wtf? (9341civic)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 9341civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b20 vtec turbo 11.2-1 cr 4psi boost 187hp & 140 tq
na car ran 200hp & 145 tq
wtf?

only difference between na & turbo is the t3/t4 .57 trim turbo
all internal componets the same

help please!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't see how this is possible, unless the turbo car had zero timing in it, was running at a 9:1 AFR, no intercooler, and a 2" downpipe.
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 05:49 PM
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Boost leak? The only think I can think of that would actually drain on the motor would be a big boost leak.

Do a pressure test on your ic piping.
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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car is at local tuner shop....... i manage a repair/tire shop
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 07:59 PM
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Default Re: more hp NA than turbo? wtf? (9341civic)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 9341civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b20 vtec turbo 11.2-1 cr 4psi boost 187hp & 140 tq
na car ran 200hp & 145 tq
wtf?
</TD></TR></TABLE>Whut....4psi of boost? Who the hell would boost that low wif a T3/T4 57 trim? And why would you slap a turbo on with that kind of compression ratio?! Sounds pointless to me.
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NVturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whut....4psi of boost? Who the hell would boost that low wif a T3/T4 57 trim? And why would you slap a turbo on with that kind of compression ratio?! Sounds pointless to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea but he still should have made more power. somethings not right.
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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what engine management?
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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that turbo doesnt even come alive till after 9-10psi.
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Old Apr 7, 2005 | 08:40 PM
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Boost leak is the only thing I can think of also
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 01:43 AM
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aem ems
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Old Apr 8, 2005 | 02:30 AM
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its broken
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 06:02 AM
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on my cams the adjustable cam gears are set @ 0 on the intake & 0 on the exhaust

where should they be for a turbo car
the cams that i am using are crower stage 2 (63402)
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 03:31 PM
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bump
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 04:18 PM
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too much overlap from the cams? CR is really high for a boost setup + everything the same = no change in tuning? then being that advanced for an n/a setup will mess you up when going turbo... danger!
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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thats weird.

sounds like somebody doesnt know how to build a turbo setup.
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 04:48 PM
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throw up your basemap
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 07:47 PM
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i used the same tuner for both the na setup & the current turbo setup

i made less power on the dyno with the turbo setup @4psi


today i reinstalled the 7psi spring in the wastegate and it feels healthier , but still needs to be tuned more

ems 1010 ver1.11
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 02:12 AM
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no base map? maybe your tune is too retarded to early, you using a linair or step retard?
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 04:28 PM
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any aem tuners in lower ny,Western ct or northern jersey
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 04:33 PM
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Sounds like horrible tuning. Any more info on the setup? a/f ration? base maps?...
BTW Take pictures when you pull shards of the pistons out of the pavement and hood.
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xtremeazian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that turbo doesnt even come alive till after 9-10psi.</TD></TR></TABLE>

da trooth
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 04:57 PM
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i personaly reinstalled the 7lb spring back into the wastegate, but i need tuning help

afr's 12.5 under boost
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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 05:29 PM
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Try retarding the in-boost timing. When the mixture gets thicker it takes longer for the flame to spread.

Also, you may be misfiring. You should be using plugs a step colder than before and gapped at 0.030" or so.
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Old Apr 17, 2005 | 02:57 PM
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any aem tuners in the lower ny, western ct or northern jersey?
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