Hey guys, looking into ordering an h22a offa hmotorsonline, just wanted to get a few opinions on the honda lsd that is an option for 300 bucks extra. i know there are compatibility issues w/ the m2b4 tranny with other lsds but i don't really plan on going with another unless i find a cheap quaife. so basically it's honda lsd for 300 extra or nothin. what do you guys think? TIA

 

The traction is definatly better. But one thing that I don't like about it is no more "chirp" into 2nd etc. which used to be fun aha. But that is a good thing I suppose if you're going for all out performance

 

anybody know how it compares to a quaife? i mean it must not be as stout or somethin cause it's like 1/3 the price.. i dunno, anybody who has experience w/ this please let me know, there's a chance i may be ordering this motor tomorrow.

 

bump. anything?

 

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the quaife works differently then a regular lsd...i don't remember exactly but its anywhere where they're sold...google 'quaife lsd' or anything like that and it'll say

 

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they're both helical gear LSD's, quaife's are more expensive because they're backed by that lifetime warranty, as well as the fact that they are sold "a la carte" if you will. It'd be easier for M2Y4 owners to swap in a quaife than it would be to spend a little more money and get a whole m2b4.

as far as how they engage and perform, word has it the quaife does its job a little better, but the difference is very subtle.

as far as "different" from other LSD's, it's different from a clutch type LSD which is the other style of LSD. the gear type uses mechanical gears to send torque to the right wheel, whereas the clutch type uses a series of clutches to do the same thing. there are pro's and con's to both.

however, the OEM JDM LSD should be fine, especially if it's much cheaper than a quaife.

 

I just read a recent issue of Sport Compact Car in which they describe the quaife as not being a true LSD. Appearantly there has to be some resistance from both tires in order for the quaife to work. In other words if one tire was on ice and the other on dry pavement then only one tire would spin. Or if you put the car in the air and spun one tire it would spin one way and the other tire would spin in the opposite direction like an open diff.

 

thats interesting with the wheels spinning both ways, im not sure how to tell, b/c i know my m2b4 is lsd and if i remember right both wheels sping opposite directions, but i could be wrong.....

speaking of ice, it snowed here today, and the lsd was helping out on the starts, but man do i hate having NO control of my car what so ever.....

my little brother and his friends watched me slide sideways helpless and almost hit a wooden post on my way home, then they had to push me out....guess who felt like an idiot....haha

oh and also, if you cant chirp second with the lsd then you have power issues.....my old usdm (non-lsd) stock vtec would spin the right tire as much as my jdm lsd h22 with i/h/e spins both right now.....

oh and also, you gotta love the feeling of the lsd kick in hard and jerk you straight when you romp it at 45 around a corner in second.....baaaaaahhhh....oh **** im dreaming again, the roads are all icy here now

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cb7-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just read a recent issue of Sport Compact Car in which they describe the quaife as not being a true LSD. Appearantly there has to be some resistance from both tires in order for the quaife to work. In other words if one tire was on ice and the other on dry pavement then only one tire would spin. Or if you put the car in the air and spun one tire it would spin one way and the other tire would spin in the opposite direction like an open diff.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is true, and one of the distinct disadvantages to the quaife and other helical gear type LSD's. Ice isn't so much the issue as getting a wheel airborne on the track, which can happen. at this point the quaife can't do its job.

the consensus seems to be that clutch type LSD's perform better, but they also require much more maintenance (they need to rebuilt periodically since the clutch disks wear out), and can make more noise than a quaife. quaife's are the ultimate install it and forget about it mod, requiring no maintenance or special fluid.

 

this was taken from here : http://www.jscspeed.com/honda/...a.htm


The Quaife's unique design offers maximum traction, improves handling and steering, and puts the power where it is needed most. A definite advantage whether on the track or on the street. The Quaife is extremely strong and durable and since the Quaife is gear operated, it has no plates or clutches that can wear out and need costly replacement. The Quaife is great for street driving or racing. Racers don't have to put up with locking mechanisms or spools that created unwanted understeer under power, or in the case of front-drive cars, even tear the steering wheel out of their hands when cornering. Because it behaves like an open differential during ordinary driving, street drivers will have trouble telling it's there until pushing the car's limits. The Quaife has been proven in everything from SCCA Rally to Formula 1. It provides autocrossers with such an advantage, it has become "required" equipment for a winning effort.


also look here : http://www.sportcompactwarehouse.com/quaife/



http://www.quaifeamerica.com

hope this helps

 

don't forget guys the other type of lsd (that nissans use) -- liquid viscous coupling. I remember reading something about them being like the best of both worlds, until of course the liquid breaks down.

 

i personally would get the quaife if i had the money to do so. if you dont plan on tracking to car hard and dont have 900 to spend get the stock lsd.

 

Yeah I do think Quaife is the best. Just thought I'd point out that article I read.

 

The quafie is definately better.

But I think it's worth the extra 300 for the oem lsd in the HMO package.

This is the route I chose.

Chances are it will take a few more weeks to get your motor though
because they usually don't have them in stock, they have to order them from Japan.

 

i'd definately say the lsd is worth it. i got one with my JDM h22 from hmo. It's some aftermarket clutch type one probably a kaaz in the m2b4 non lsd tranny. Definately one of the best mods i've done to my car behind the JDM h22 and a light flywheel/clutch setup. Do some research because you'll need some different fluid for your tranny. I switched to 80w-90 gear oil and am gonna throw in some friction modifier for limited slip diffs from gm as it still chatters a little.

 

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Where did you hear this?

I'm using regular Mobil 10w30 and it works just fine for me

 

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This is BS. I have LSD in my tranny and the manual says: MTF (which is 10W30 generally)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PreIudeSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'd definately say the lsd is worth it. i got one with my JDM h22 from hmo. It's some aftermarket clutch type one probably a kaaz in the m2b4 non lsd tranny. Definately one of the best mods i've done to my car behind the JDM h22 and a light flywheel/clutch setup. Do some research because you'll need some different fluid for your tranny. I switched to 80w-90 gear oil and am gonna throw in some friction modifier for limited slip diffs from gm as it still chatters a little.</TD></TR></TABLE>

firstly, the m2b4 isnt supposed to fit any other lsd's, as far as i have heard on here, so this could be either some good info or a big lie, how do you know its not the oem lsd?

secondly, the chatter you have is from your flywheel which i guarantee you did not cut before putting in, your diff will not cause that chatter just because of some fluid you think you need to add to it.....that thick *** 80w-90 is gonna be oil goop until that trans is very good and hot, so i hope you dont wrench on it much before you have been driving for a while.....

thirdly, honda makes the same mtf for all its h22a transmissions, the oem non lsd and for the very rare oem us lsd trans, you dont need any special fluids or any **** for the lsd.....unless you try some syncromesh or something if your syncros went......

lastly, for anyone that may be able to elicit some more info, my friend's 98spec itr trans' oem lsd (well we assume its oem) locked up so hard it jerked the faceplate off the stereo......how does the type-r lsd differ from ours?

 

i was going to ask how reliable the oem lsd is ..im goign to be getting a one soon and just wanted to make sure its going to be around for a while ..im not a burn out guy but i go to the track ,drag and hope to be getting into some auto cross this year as well

 

it will last, they are sound units, just change the tranny fluid at regular intervals and it should be fine for all that you can throw at it

 

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I'm using regular Mobil 10w30 and it works just fine for me </TD></TR></TABLE>

clutch types often specify a special fluid.