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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:24 PM
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Please someone help! I have a 98 head on a 1.5 d15 block, i cant get the timing!!! I dont even know when its top dead center. I know the #1 cylinder reaches TDC twice....does it matter on which stroke?! How can I tell, i line up that white mark on the pulley with index on the cover.

Also, when i put the marking on the crankshaft pulley in the up position, what are the valves at the #1 cylinder suppose to look like? because that UP marking is not working for me. The only reaction i get is a puff of air & gas come shooting out the TB! Is that a sign of combustion?

Please some one help!!! I'm 1 step away from setting the car on fire!!! (not kidding)
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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Quick reference - when placing the head from a 1.6L donor motor onto a 1.5L block, you need an adjustable cam gear to get timing perfect.
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Quick reference - when placing the head from a 1.6L donor motor onto a 1.5L block, you need an adjustable cam gear to get timing perfect.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:35 PM
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the funny thing is that, i had that car running perfect on saturday, yesterday i took off the t-belt to tighten it cause it was kinda slack and the socket and ratchet i had on the handle moved.
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:37 PM
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Hmm, cardinal rule of timing belts, which helped me in my head swap/lazy man motor build - white out on timing belt and cam gear before moving.
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:41 PM
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yeah tell me about it, im kicking my self in the *** for it....when the #1 cyl is firing are the intake valves on the 1# cyl open?
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:42 PM
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When the #1 cylinder is FIRING all valves are closed
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:45 PM
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when i have the marking on the cam in the UP position, the #4 cylinder valves are half way open, im not sure if the intake or the exhaust though.
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:47 PM
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what should i do?
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:54 PM
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anybody, i need a solution or good ideas.
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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please, dont make me beg guys..
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 06:13 PM
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i know i need all the valves closed to and move the piston to TDC, how can i tell when the valves are closed? Please someone, im taking the bus to work and getting in late, i really dont wanna loose my job over this ****?
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 07:33 PM
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set the lines on the cam gear even with the head. \

___________ camgear is here ____________

use the horizontal lines. and put #1 to TDC
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 10:39 PM
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only rotate counterclockwise, never go the other direction. if you miss it, all the way around again.

1.belt off completely. slip coathanger into spark plug hole so it touches piston top. watch it go up and down.. make a mark with pen or tape so you can really see it moving.. find top dead center with rod and in conjunction with timing notch on pulley (the solo one, not cluster of three)

2.set cam gear east and west marks paralell to deck with up reading, you guessed it, up. (this is for d15. d16 sets southwest mark to plastic plate mark behind it and disregards east west marks) loosen tensioner bolt, remove spring from hanger, let dangle off tensioner.

3. dont move anything now. slip belt over 1. crank gear 2.tensioner 3 cam gear.

4. put tensioner spring back on post. rotate 1/4 turn counter clockwise to take up slack and tighten tensioner bolt. spring sets the tension. not you.

5. send donation to my paypal account. mike_belben@yahoo.com


once belt is on, you can determine tdc on power stroke because air will puff out spark plug hole with both valves closed. rotating counterclockwise, its always the cycle after the #1 intakes open.. that upcoming tdc it the one. the cams determine this so without the belt on, no love.
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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. (this is for d15. d16 sets southwest mark to plastic plate mark behind it and disregards east west marks)

Thats were you lost me bro, do you mind putting in "backyard" mechanic term.
(i feel stupid)

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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 10:14 AM
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any body knows where i can get a picture of this plastic plate mark behind the cam gear this guys talking about, this is starting to really **** me off!
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 10:50 AM
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if u look at the cam gear... it will be really close to the bottem of the sprocket. look closely.
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Old Nov 17, 2004 | 09:49 PM
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hey whats up ultimx?

CH27- look at your gear. it will have the word up, a mark at 3oclock, a mark at 9 oclock and one at around 7:30 or so. the 7:30 is for d16. using it means the horizontal marks will be skewed about a tooth off from being parallel to the valve cover surface.
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