so im going with a junkyard t3, mainly cuz im pretty strapped for cash. my question is when i go to the junkyard how do i tell exactly what t3 im pulling out of a car? im specifically looking for one with the larger .63 exhaust housing as i have a b16a3 and not really interested in being boosted by 2000 rpm.... so is there a specific part number on the turbo, or car list that tells me exactly what t3 came in what car? apparently the manual svo's and turbo-tbirds came with this, but those cant be the only two cars out of the long list of cars that came with t3's. or is there something i can measure without dismanteling the turbo to tell what it is? theres also a local guy selling a t3 out of a saab, but he doesnt know any of the specs on the turbo, so it would help him out (and possibly me if its the right one!)

i can't find any answers by searching (mainly cuz you can't search "t3"!) so i thought id post. im probably not the only guy looking for this information :D. thanks!


Modified by I3iggy at 2:33 PM 10/26/2004

 

Look for older Saab's, and volvo's.

 

I got mine off a Mercedes. Water cooled, internal wastegate, good trim.

 

try some fords, too. most came with .60/.63 T3's, except the merkur's and the intercooled turbocoupes, the merk's have a smaller T3 and the turbocoupes have IHI's. and stay away from the dodges, unless you want a .42/.48 setup.

hope that helps

edit: the dodges also have an offset bolt on the flange. no good if your bolting it up to a standard manifold, you'd have to drill a hole.

 

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You mean most manual transmission cars came with .60/.63 T3's, and the automagics got .60/.48 T3's.

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Nope...

She came from the factory with a .60/.48 T3, and currently runs a T5, Quaife, and there is a (Porsche designed) Volvo 740 GXE DOHC head sitting in the next room right by the fresh shorty built for it. At that point, straight T4...


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May be a .42 compressor AR, but it's still a .50 trim wheel. There is some confusion between how compressor wheels and turbine housings are measured in the Garrett families.

 

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She came from the factory with a .60/.48 T3</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats smaller than the svo's, right?

just shows i don't know a whole lot about turbo fords...


nice merk though. how is the volvo headswap? i know the ford 2.3 and dodge 2.2 share a lot of similarities (that stop at the cylinder head)... and us dodge guys are just catching on to dohc conversions (2.4L dohc head!), and you've got to do all kinds of **** to get it to work, not to mention fab up some manifolds.

shim just about every pully and gear so it lines up, get a 3.0 mitsu v6 timing belt. get an ARP headstud kit for a vw1.8T and shave them down a bit... find a way to run the distributor (the IM goes where the distributor is on a dohc swap) off one of the cams, etc. PITA

good luck with that

 

so it sounds like weve got fords, dodges, volvos, saab's, and mercedes. gettin some good info so far! but does anyone know how to tell if its got the .63A/R exhaust housing? and are there any other cars than the 5-speed turbo-tbirds and svo mustangs that come with that exhaust housing? the flanges dont matter much cuz a friend of mine makes custom manifolds so i think as long as it has a flange it'll work :D. great info! keep it comin!

 

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thats smaller than the svo's, right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope, same size. All the 84-86 2.3 turbos were. .48 AR turbine for automagic, .63 for manuals, but some stuff's been swapped around a lot over the last 20 years.

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just shows i don't know a whole lot about turbo fords...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Which is my #1 problem with most HT members... given your screenname I'd hoped you'd be a little different

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nice merk though. how is the volvo headswap? i know the ford 2.3 and dodge 2.2 share a lot of similarities (that stop at the cylinder head)... and us dodge guys are just catching on to dohc conversions (2.4L dohc head!), and you've got to do all kinds of **** to get it to work, not to mention fab up some manifolds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The tab is welded to the back of the Volvo head where it would otherwise leave a coolant passage on the Ford block exposed. There is no place on the Ford block for the oil to drain between cyl #2 and #3 valvetrain, most people let it slide, but Dave (car's owner) has tapped the side of the head and runs a -3 drain line down to the block.

He had a lot of stuff fabbed up for the DIY conversion; adapter brackets for different tensioners, was modifying regular SOHC Volvo cam gears as DIY adjustables, and got burned out. Like most DIY projects, he tried to stretch his dollar by substituting hard work - bought a set of TRW and some other brand forgings at a hookup, finds out they lack enough material to be able to handle the required flycuts for the Volvo head's valves, and went off and bought the $1500 kit.


I've seen the DOHC kits for the minimopars, never seen pictures of one or heard results. I'm operating off the ASSumption that the later Neon engines were roughly based on the older, more robust 2.2?

 

ttt!

 

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hey, it takes time to learn. a friend of mine bought an XR4TI and doesn't know jack about cars, so i've sort of been taking a 'crash course' helping him fix it and mod it and stuff.

heres what i was lookin' for:

What cars have what size turbo?

83-84 GT Turbo .60 & .63 A/R
83-84 Capri RS Turbo .60 & .63 A/R
84-86 XR7 Cougar .60 & .63 A/R
84-85 SVO .60 & .63 A/R
85.5-86 Svo .60 & .48 A/R
83-86 TC .60 & .63 A/R
87-88 TC IHI Turbo
Early 85 XR4TI .60 & .63 A/R
85.5-89 XR4TI .60 & .48 A/R

taken from 40bob.com

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I've seen the DOHC kits for the minimopars, never seen pictures of one or heard results. I'm operating off the ASSumption that the later Neon engines were roughly based on the older, more robust 2.2?
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i'm not sure if it's based on the 2.2. the 2.2 is roughly based off the /6, why use such an old design? but compared to the sohc 8-valve non-crossflow stock heads, the neon heads are killer. the first guy to get one working (on a built 2.5, huge IC, etc) was cranking well over 400 ft-lb @ around 3000rpm on 16psi. not bad

and there are a few others. but some guys are getting smart and instead of fabbing all that crap to get the head to work, they just fab some mounts and buy an SRT-4 motor

SRT-4 motor + gutted out omni = bye bye