I just did my timing belt and balacer belt on my H22A, I need to know how to check the balance shaft timing alignment properly or how to remove the balancer belt properly.

I have all the other timing marks lined up properly and the engine spins freely without any noise.

Thank you in advance

 

If it' the same as My Spec V, you can just purchase a balance shaft removal kit, but don't quote me on that.

-Brian

 

Can I just remove the belt entirely? Without doing any damage?

I talked to Honda about aligning it apparently the front and rear shafts have to be aligned with each other and aligning the rear balance shaft appears to be quite the pain.... I have the front one aligned properly, I just need to align the rear balance shaft tonight, that is, if I can't just remove the dang belt...

 

to align the rear, there is a little plug you remove, then you stick a long bolt into that hole and turn the balancer until it locks into the balancer...it has a hole or notch in it as well. I think the cover looks like a 17 or so mm bolt, but it is on the back of the block(of course) near the timing cover about level with the balancer...I know its hard without pics, but its easy once you do it

 

Remove it. You will get hp gains, but have a little more engine vibration. Its also not harmfull to the engine.

 

yep, what Matix said, i don't have one and the extra vibration is barely noticeable, if at all

 

just remove them if you want to. there's no potential for any damage from removing them, either direct or indirect. the correct way to remove them would be to plug off the feed holes supplying them with oil.

just removing the belt works fine though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H22Si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the correct way to remove them would be to plug off the feed holes supplying them with oil.

just removing the belt works fine though. </TD></TR></TABLE>

plus more oil pressure where it could be used better with the oil supplies plugged

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H22Si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just remove them if you want to. there's no potential for any damage from removing them, either direct or indirect. </TD></TR></TABLE>

this was a subject for debate in another thread a few months back, because it was said commonly eclipse owners(I think??) would run beltless with no probs, where someone who ran beltless on a honda noticed some excessive bearing wear when he tore down his bottom end...but this was also in combination with using some sort of crank underdrive pulley...but since I don't have any personal experience with it, I don't want to take sides on the matter and give advice about it

 

what happen when you dont align them

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ph8ed4life &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> plus more oil pressure where it could be used better with the oil supplies plugged

this was a subject for debate in another thread a few months back, because it was said commonly eclipse owners(I think??) would run beltless with no probs, where someone who ran beltless on a honda noticed some excessive bearing wear when he tore down his bottom end...but this was also in combination with using some sort of crank underdrive pulley...but since I don't have any personal experience with it, I don't want to take sides on the matter and give advice about it</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea the crank pulley is what caused his bearing wear. The crank pulley doesnt have the harmonic balancer like the stock pulley has. This causes extra wear on bearings. The balancer shafts are just their for comfort.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ph8ed4life &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to align the rear, there is a little plug you remove, then you stick a long bolt into that hole and turn the balancer until it locks into the balancer...it has a hole or notch in it as well. I think the cover looks like a 17 or so mm bolt, but it is on the back of the block(of course) near the timing cover about level with the balancer...I know its hard without pics, but its easy once you do it</TD></TR></TABLE>
he is exactly correct. Seeing as how i have done and redone my timing belt a million times(paranoia about tension on a h23) there is the little plug
and just lock it into place like the cams

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by matix &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yea the crank pulley is what caused his bearing wear. The crank pulley doesnt have the harmonic balancer like the stock pulley has. This causes extra wear on bearings. The balancer shafts are just their for comfort.</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly. what people need to realize is that the crank pulley (dampener) and balance shafts are treating two totally different areas.

reciprocating vs. rotating.

balancing, or better worded cancelling of vibrations from the reciprocating assembly by the balance shafts are a comfort accessory only. the vibes are still there, just not being transmitted to the driver. prettymuch the same way you can cancel one sound wave by emitting another. both are being produced, yet you hear nothing.

dampening of the rotating assembly is, and always will be, critical to the life of the engine.

 

just take off the belt your going to feel the diffrernce with no problems

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GRTechnologies &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just take off the belt your going to feel the diffrernce with no problems</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm interested in doing this. How do you remove the belt?

 

You just remove it! There's nothing involved, just yank on it.

 

so i can remove the belt on my h23 and let the pullies just stay there and there will be no harm?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hOndafienD 04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so i can remove the belt on my h23 and let the pullies just stay there and there will be no harm?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Leaving the pulleys on there will not do any extra harm.

 

aiight thanx