DutchITR1689

If you add 5 more wires, you'll get 10 hp extra. 2 HP per wire!!!
10 more wires = 20 HP!!!

jond

I would be interested if you first take your R to the dyno, and show us what kind of gains there are from this.

Ausmith

I'll take one

done

can you make them in black wire?

Leo95SE

just an FYI, i was curious about the earthing system theory, so i took measurements.
hope the tests speak for themselves.
-measurements were taken with car at idle.
-battery voltage is shown as a reference point.
-all points measured with negative on the neg battery terminal.

one more point. there is a ground on the tranny, but ive never seen an earthing system to include this node. why?

battery:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volt...eryvoltage.JPG

alternator:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volttest/altvolts.JPG

frame:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volttest/framevolts.JPG

ground strap on block:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volt...strapvolts.JPG

head:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volttest/headvolts.JPG

intake mani:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volt...anivoltage.JPG

TB:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volttest/tbvolts.JPG

valve cover:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volt...covervolts.JPG

vtec sensor:
http://www.o2resources.com/pics/volt...ensorvolts.JPG

[edit] - click on the links, i dont wanna kill bandwith.
[edit 2] - woohoo, 700 posts.


[Modified by Leo95SE, 9:01 AM 10/30/2002]

Philly_NBP_R

I might be interested in this kit as well, but would like to see a dyno sheet (if possible)
Nick

DutchITR1689

These are the "after" measurements, right? And where are the "before" measurements?
Voltage doesn't say anything, because you want to know how it affects the engine itself....
Do you know the relationship between voltage of ground and engine output/operation?

I assume that because there is already a stock ground wire on the tranny, they didn't add another wire to the tranny....

acura_typer

So rittle me this. The tranny ground is like 4 Gauge wire that bolts to the frame. The negative terminal on the battery is 4 gauge, that bolts to the frame. How can things get any more conductive? And, does anyone HERE have proof that the car runs better with all the extra wires? TO me, they are not needed. IF they make 'free' horsepower, why aren't all the manufactures using them? They are of little liability, and would cost nothing, yet could get them higher HP numbers. Added weight, and spagetti mess under the hood.

mstewar

i'd be interested, but i'd kinda like to see your results, to be quite honest.. when do you plan to start manufacturing them?

Chris N

I don't think this is a tread to aruge whether or not the earthing system works, that has been done endless amounts in other threads. If you want one, good, ask questions. If you don't, go search and find other arguements on the topic. This happens EVERY TIME someone mentions the earthing system.

to Tommy Guns.


[Modified by 1107, 3:56 PM 10/30/2002]

ryu12341

i agree, people are bashing him for no reason. let the man do his thing, you shouldnt criticize him for it.

Tommy_Gunns

So true. For some people, they don't have the time or means to make an earthing system of their own. I'm merely providing a cheaper alternative to the $100 Spoon or whatever they are considering.

As for proof of gains, I don't have any. Those URL's that I linked to were NOT created by me. I am NOT claiming that it adds hp or trq, I just linked them to this thread cause they were the ones I could find on the net that explained the basic concept behind such systems.

-Tommy who kinda has second thoughts about doing this

DutchITR1689

This is a tech board, right? Of course people will start asking questions or start bashing him if the product he's trying to sell isn't working (or is questionable)....

We will just do the same if someone here is selling a magic header that gives you 100 HP gain, blinker fluids or a super engine oil....

jond

Why hasn't anyone dynoed this mod yet? That would solve the debate no?

.

Chris N

It has just been argued to death, that's my point. I believe this thread clearly states its intentions... Earthing System: me make, you buy.

Maybe if everyone contributed $5, someone could dyno earthing system vs. stock grounding.


[Modified by 1107, 4:51 PM 10/30/2002]

purplehazek4

i'll take one for sure. just let me know when it's available

Tommy_Gunns

Ok...I have about enough people interested to go through with this project.

Before I start making them, there are few things people should know:

DISCLAIMER:
1. Earthing System is sold as is. All sales are final
2. The length of wires will be made for G3 integras, more specifically the ITR. May work for other Honda vehicles equipped with battery by passenger side window and B series motor.
3. For a clean install, you will need a strut tower bar of some kind.
4. Product will be shipped insured.
5. Buyer assumes all responsibility after arriving at their door. This includes: faulty installation, misuse of the product and/or any electrical failure due to the installation of the earthing system.



[Modified by Tommy_Gunns, 11:25 AM 10/30/2002]

Tommy_Gunns

Area 51 did dyno it back to back against the stock system. I will not comment on the results other than that it did make a difference on their car.

Chris N

You are right. However, we have covered this endless times. That is why, when someone (in this case, Tommy Guns) offers to make this system and sell it to others, it is useless to argue about it anymore, there is plenty of info on this site where everyone stated their personal/engineering/scientific opinions about this earthing system. So, if you want to argue, I'd say go re-read the other threads and start it up over there again. It's ridiculous that this has happened at least twice to Tommy Guns' threads about 1. the installation of the earthing system and 2. offering it to others.

hungsteR

So have you decided on what color/colors it will be?

mstewar

i tell you guys what, i'm in for buying one, even if it only makes the car run a little smoother..

AND as a big fat bonus, since i'm dynoing my car in the next week.. i will dyno it, then do the earthing system, then redyno it.. and post the charts.. may take a few weeks to do all that, but hopefully it will silence some questions..

so TommyGuns, put me down for one, and let me know when i can get it from you.. is there any possible way to get black wire though?

Jack Black

Tommy,

I'll take one. What the heck, it'll be my very first engine mod.

And...

If there are any South Florida dyno centers who would be interested in giving me a couple dyno runs for free or cheap, I'll post before and after results.

P.S. Black wires, please.

[edit]Damn! Somebody beat me to it!




[Modified by itr01-0851, 12:57 PM 10/30/2002]

Mike M

I love how everyones idea of testing anything and everything is "How did it dyno"
And then when there are products that you really can't dyno to show its affects (IE Better Throttle response, Smoother running, Easier starting) people start bashing the product and saying its worthless. How about the idea of trying something out before hand
$40 is Not alot to try it out, considering the materials and time involved. Plenty of people have spent far more on Stylish mods like Oil caps or CF parts that don't have the slightest chance of adding any performance.

All I'm saying is give it a try yourself before being so quick to judge

Mike M

Problem is you want to Dyno it all in the same day. My suggestion: Install the Grounding Kit BUT do Not connect the Extra Ground connections to the Battery, Only the Main ground wire to the frame. (Either the OEM one or the Ground Kits one, Shouldn't make a difference) Then Connect the grounds to the Battery terminal and Re-Dyno That way your car just had enough time to cool back down to the temps it was at the 1st time around

lucas569

i'm in for one, maybe you should offer it in several choices though like red,black or blue.

the smoked clear sleves look nice too...