I have a problem with way too much oversteer. could it be my style of driving? am I connering incorrectly? I have a 1995 si stock front sway bar eg6 rear 15mm sway bar koni shocks tanabe super down precedeo springs falken azenis 14"
almost flew off the mountain going down hill sliding twords the edge sideways

scary stuff
any advice?

 

anyone?

 

dont push it through the canyons, it isnt worth it.

if you absolutely have to run,

1. avoid hitting the paint in hard cornering
2. be smooth
3. dont let off the gas completely. make sure there is even throttle applied so the rear tires have some weight to work with.
4. learn how to control your car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EGTeK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont push it through the canyons, it isnt worth it.

if you absolutely have to run,

1. avoid hitting the paint in hard cornering
2. be smooth
3. dont let off the gas completely. make sure there is even throttle applied so the rear tires have some weight to work with.
4. learn how to control your car.

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thanks for the advice do you think my oversteer problem with carry over to the track? haven't really had the $$ to hit the track again since my car was stock and was wondering if it'd be dangerous since it oversteers so much

 

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thanks for the advice do you think my oversteer problem with carry over to the track? haven't really had the $$ to hit the track again since my car was stock and was wondering if it'd be dangerous since it oversteers so much</TD></TR></TABLE>

hmm... i would think the track is safer than the canyons =/ . if its too expensive, why not go for auto-x? its cheaper, but less seat time i guess.

i dont really get what you did though. so you're going downhill, some how ended up sideways sliding towards the outside?

to me it just sounds like you entered too fast. i'm guessing you broke too late (or didn't slow down enough causing you to brake really hard), shifted even more weight forward causing the rear tires to slip, and drifted out cuz the tires wouldn't hold that entry speed. i could be wrong though.

does the same thing happen to you on the uphill?

but anyways, from my own experience i learned slow in fast out is a key concept (especially when i used stock tires in my auto-x's). kinda goes along with being smooth and proper weight shifting imo.

 

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Yeah, i have some advice: don't drive so f$#king fast on the street. Don't be a dope. There are way too many uncontrollable things to push hard on the street (other cars, gravel, pedestrians, animals). There are way too few safety features to push hard on the street (poor guard rails, no runoff, cross streets). There are no emergency services to push hard on the street (if you wreck on track, there's an ambulance and a fire truck seconds away. )

If all of that is not enough to convince you, then consider this: based on your question, "could it be my style of driving? am I connering incorrectly?" it is clear that you are unsure of your skill. If you are unsure, why are you risking your life using unproven skills? Get to an autocross and learn some car control. But even if you get or have the skills, you are a fool for driving hard enough on the street to get that much oversteer.

BTW your car setup does not sound like an oversteering monster. It's probably just less understeer than stock.

Regards,
Alan

 

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Dont be a ******* idiot and take it to the track instead, where if you go off you dont hit a ******* tree and slide down the mountain.

 

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Jon

 

wow i wish i had "oversteer issues" in a honda...

 

If you do some auto-x events, you'll figure out whats going on. Without knowing what your spring rates are and what the konis are dialed in to, and if you had buudies in the back seat, its hard to say if its your driving style or not.

Personally I think a well-set FF should be able to oversteer, and the driver know how to control it, and if needed, recover it, and if needed, safely spin to a stop

So dont push it like that on the streets, or you're going to total the car, or worse. The auto-x track is a perfectly legal and much safer way to spank that car, and it IS fun and cheap.

 

Yep sounds like your you were braking WHILE turning in, causing the weight of your car to shift forward. You can only use your tires grip for acceleration, braking, and cornering. Since your were trying to use your tires for both braking and cornering, the total braking and cornering grip of your tires were divided (and on top of that you were going downhill, which further reduced your braking). You probably chose to brake too hard which effectively brought the % of your rear tires grip use for cornering too low, resulting in a skid. To sum it all up, take it to the track and get some real experience.

 

lift-throttle oversteer owns you

 

lift throttle what? i'm sorry i only speak a langauge called front wheel drive

 

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lift throttle what? i'm sorry i only speak a langauge called front wheel drive </TD></TR></TABLE>

Pretty common honda term.... maybe you want to brush up on your FWD honda language.

 

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Pretty common honda term.... maybe you want to brush up on your FWD honda language.</TD></TR></TABLE>

all i know is that when i lift my throttle, nothing happens until the next input which is usually braking, downshifting, and coasting to a stop on the avenue.

charles-who is forgetting what it is like to drive in a capacity beyond getting from point a to point b. and also forgetting his terminology. and is also waiting for the next event eagerly. and is distracted from working by H-T, and distracted from reading H-T by???

 

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If I am in an autocross slalom and I abruptly lift off the throttle, the back end is liable to step out regardless of which end of the car the drive wheels are on... Lift-throttle oversteer presupposes that cornering is occuring too.

edit: refinement

 

yeah. mybrain was falling asleep earlier.

u guys were right i was wrong

and it's been a long time since my last AX/trackday so i'm blaming my retardation on that.

OT: i'm falling asleep right now in my cubicle. not good.

 

i go to autox a lot and track events I dont think that has anything to do with my expirence? just lookin to get some tips on oversteer as far as the car set up and my driving style

btw anyone going to the december 27th streets of willow event?

 

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all i know is that when i lift my throttle, nothing happens until the next input which is usually braking, downshifting, and coasting to a stop on the avenue.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have never had much lift throttle oversteer at all (none) except on the track, where it is on demand. I don't autox (only a few times in my life), but i'm sure it can be prevalent there. What kind of car do you drive?

 

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I have never had much lift throttle oversteer at all (none) except on the track, where it is on demand. I don't autox (only a few times in my life), but i'm sure it can be prevalent there. What kind of car do you drive?</TD></TR></TABLE>


i don't get any LTO on the street.

i'll get it in a long sweeper or somethin, but not really all that bad.

driving a bb6

 

Maybe you should check your tire pressures before and after a canyon run. I know that can make a big difference on an auto-x flat course for me, and figuring in a change in elevation has got to effect tire pressures to some extent. ???

Damn it just be careful. We dont want you to die.

 

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Maybe he wouldnt have this problem if he didnt act like a jackass on public roads in the first place.

 

I heard setting your car to oversteer a lot one event then understeer the next helps you learn better driving techniques on how to control your car when it's going "out of control" balance through the turn I guess

 

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Maybe he wouldnt have this problem if he didnt act like a jackass on public roads in the first place.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so if I didn't drive my car fast in the canyons and my car was set up for oversteer my car wouldn't oversteer at the track or at autox?

 

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That is precisely the solution.