<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 6ghatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice write up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks!!!

 

[QUOTE=emwavey]
Does this look like a guy doing a touring lap?
http://www.pbase.com/image/18821173
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Actually it might as I stated above Touring laps on sunday were almost out of control I perosnally watched cars slowing way down on the front stretch then going ***** to the walls through 1 2 and of into the distance to 3, as stated some cars were pulled off becasue of this, and they were all told the rules before the went out, and choose not to follow them.
Helmuts are genrally required for all actives on track except Touring laps... but as my last few expereinces with touring laps.. we might need to change this as people just don't seem to get nor do they care about thier own saftey.

 

just because the pic was "blurry" doesnt mean he was travelling at some outrageous amount of speed. I could take a pic of your grandma driving to the store that has a blurry background.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by emwavey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Does this look like a guy doing a touring lap?
http://www.pbase.com/image/18821173

From my perspective as a spectator it didn't. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for making that point... AGAIN ...for the hard-headed people.
Guys... OPEN your eyes... does the fact that he is sideways tell you ANYTHING?? and don't tell me what I didn't see.
Here, have another cause some of you have to be drunk. LOL

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XR4racer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thanks for making that point... AGAIN ...for the hard-headed people.
Guys... OPEN your eyes... does the fact that he is sideways tell you ANYTHING?? and don't tell me what I didn't see.
Here, have another cause some of you have to be drunk. LOL</TD></TR></TABLE>

As I have said this was probaly a touring lap they were almost out of contorl I watched several cars making high speed runs and drifting through tunrs 2 and 3 and those that I saw I called in and they were pulled of the track...

 

Yeah, but that pic is from where the drift competition was held, and there is definately some counter-steering going on there.... And he used that pic in his write up corresponding to the drifting event that went on over the weekend.

Brian

 

I have told you what I saw with my own eyes touring laps on sunday were pretty nuts, I belive the gird guys when they say know one when out on track without a helmut during hyper drives, drift and such. I am not blaming BSR for touring laps being nuts either becuase we all know how they can get out of control, we pulled the people off that we saw be goofballs but as usualyl we can see or get everyone.
I may be mistaken and have been before, however it is not NASA Policy to let anyone out on track withou a helmut unless it is touring laps.

 

that was a touring lap, and they were controlled by BSR.

 

Well, emwavey took the pic, I think he would know best what group was on track at the time.

Brian

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Solracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I belive the gird guys when they say know one when out on track without a helmut during hyper drives, drift and such. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I personally saw more than one car leave the grid and enter the track with no helmet on the driver, for the drifting sessions.
So there goes my faith in those statements.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brian*Blue95M3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, emwavey took the pic, I think he would know best what group was on track at the time.

Brian</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats the point. the spectators dont know what groups are on track, other than the races which are announced.

and since drifters drove to the carousel and waited in line to drift, it is understandable that they would not have their helmets on leaving grid!


sheeez.....

 

If this pictre was taken on Sunday somewhere between 12:00 and 1:30 the it was a curies/touring laps.

 

Actually it was pretty obvious when the drifters were on track. They would come through 5 one at a time every 20 seconds or so, some drifting, some trying to drift, and some spinning .

Brian

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Brian*Blue95M3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually it was pretty obvious when the drifters were on track. They would come through 5 one at a time every 20 seconds or so, some drifting, some trying to drift, and some spinning .
Brian</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sounds a bit like our HC race..


..to lighten the mood.

 

Good thing the drifters didn't kick up any of the gravel that littered 5 (mucho sarcasm)

Brian

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Solracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[QUOTE=emwavey]
Does this look like a guy doing a touring lap?
http://www.pbase.com/image/18821173
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Actually it might as I stated above Touring laps on sunday were almost out of control I perosnally watched cars slowing way down on the front stretch then going ***** to the walls through 1 2 and of into the distance to 3, as stated some cars were pulled off becasue of this, and they were all told the rules before the went out, and choose not to follow them.
Helmuts are genrally required for all actives on track except Touring laps... but as my last few expereinces with touring laps.. we might need to change this as people just don't seem to get nor do they care about thier own saftey.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually this looks like you were sitting in the inside bleachers across from the grandstands - looking towards SPs main buildings on the hill. Although the car in question does look a little drifty, it is possible that the angle of the shot makes it look like more than it really was. If you look close, you will note that all 4 tires are on the concrete patch which would mean he is right on line and in fact not drifting at all. Coming out of the carousel even at low speeds has a tendency to **** the car a bit.

I do not know what the rules were for helmets for the dirfting sessions.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lees Z &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do not know what the rules were for helmets for the dirfting sessions.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I do. i was a driftin'!!!

we had to have our helmets on when we left the pits. our helmets had to be on when driftin'. we all took off our helmets while waiting in line up on top of the hill between 3 and 4. it was hellacious hot up there, and we had to wait for a long time between drift runs....

the drifting was fun; i will do it again, i think!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XR4racer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thanks for making that point... AGAIN ...for the hard-headed people.
Guys... OPEN your eyes... does the fact that he is sideways tell you ANYTHING?? and don't tell me what I didn't see.
Here, have another cause some of you have to be drunk. LOL</TD></TR></TABLE>

That pic was taken from turn 5. I am almost positive he was heading back to the paddock, after competing in the drift competition. I was in turn 8, and remember that car, along with a few others. A lot of them were continuing to get sideways. after the contest was over..

Other than touring laps, and (before and after) the drifting contest, when did you see someone out on track without a helmet, Robert? I for one didnt see a singe person in any race, HPDE, or hypeR drive without a helmet.

Thanks for the offer on the " " , but I think I'll pass.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd Reid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we had to have our helmets on when we left the pits. our helmets had to be on when driftin'. we all took off our helmets while waiting in line up on top of the hill between 3 and 4. it was hellacious hot up there, and we had to wait for a long time between drift runs...</TD></TR></TABLE>


Again, from grid... nobody left without helmets on for anything except touring laps behind the pace car, all weekend long (or at least during the ~20 hours I was standing by pit out, lol.) What they did with their helmet while on-track was their own issue.

Jon

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Solracer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If this pictre was taken on Sunday somewhere between 12:00 and 1:30 the it was a curies/touring laps.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It was taken on Saturday. I have no idea what time... oh wait it was 1/4 past hot as hell.

...

Thanks everyone I really appreciate this discussion. Whether or not you agree or disagree, I don't rightly care, OK maybe I do, but I'd rather discuss this and find out what was really going on, then to have a major incident occur and have this event halted. If others are feeling questionable about this subject then it was worth having poop thrown my way.

Recently, if you haven't heard, most if not all club rally event have been cancelled because two people were killed when a car went off in up-state PA. They were supposedly in a safe spot.

Racing is dangerous, and I won't make any excuses about it. That's what makes this a real sport. (and I know I'll have to qualify this 'cause someone is going to misinterpret my meaning. I'm not saying that the HPDE is racing, or the ride alongs or the drifting... just roll with me here and look for the point of the message.) However we live in a Nation where their are lots of folks who don't understand this sport. They'd love to see "us" shut down. My focus of the article is to highlight this event and praise NASA (oh sorry and BSR) for hosting such and event.

Whether or not it was safe I don't know, but the fact of the matter here is this is something you're passionate about. That's good, you should be, and I appreciate your input. By folks being given the chance to drive on a track, and as many of you may agree, they might be less likely to push it on the street. It's been my experience that having done a few track days and autocrossing, I don't feel the need to race on the street. The point being that this is drawing more folks into learning about the limits. Agreed? I for one don't want to see this come to an end. Any critism I have about this event is not to discredit, but to hopefully preserve and promote.

I also noticed while walking around the outside of turn 6 to get to the inside of turn 5 that it stunk like horse crap . I asked Gayle if she... you know lit one off, but she denied it. No, no really, I believe her. Then I noticed a small group of campers who were obviously having fun with their (I think it was a...) Ford Taurus in a mud puddle. hmmmm maybe - not mud.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BryanSprinkel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That pic was taken from turn 5. I am almost positive he was heading back to the paddock, after competing in the drift competition. I was in turn 8, and remember that car, along with a few others. A lot of them were continuing to get sideways. after the contest was over.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Then that makes him coming around T5 into 6. He is still is great shape setting up for 6 - I don't think he is "drifting" - it would be interesting to see a car right there in a touring lap. May have to take some pics next event.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd Reid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I do. i was a driftin'!!!

we had to have our helmets on when we left the pits. our helmets had to be on when driftin'. we all took off our helmets while waiting in line up on top of the hill between 3 and 4. it was hellacious hot up there, and we had to wait for a long time between drift runs....

the drifting was fun; i will do it again, i think! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for filling us in so that hopefully we can put that to rest. As far as touring laps go, I know the frustration of BSR as far as dealing with people breaking the touring/cruise lap rules. I am usually the one who sells the touring laps and monitors them at grid at our normal NASA-VA Events. Despite the fact that the drivers are told personally by me that they cannot pass, must stay at a reasonable distance behind the car in front of them, and must not lag behind so they can speed up......there is usually someone trying to get away with those things. And we do black flag the people that do. Based on what the announcer says, it sounds as though the black flag was brought out during Hyperfest touring laps for those infractions as well, but I did not witness that.

I would hate to see touring lap speeds brought down to a snail pace or people being required to wear helmets. We could in the future indicate to them beforehand that they will be escorted off track grounds if they break the rules, and perhaps that is the best answer.


Laura Cobetto

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BryanSprinkel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Other than touring laps, and (before and after) the drifting contest, when did you see someone out on track without a helmet, Robert? I for one didnt see a singe person in any race, HPDE, or hypeR drive without a helmet.
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Since somebody made the point to boast that not a single car left the grid without a helmet, I decided to share the fact that I personally know that to be BS, because I watched two student cars enter the track without helmets... the grid workers watched them go, and even did a double take.. for some reason.

Bryan, Regardless of who was on track without a helmet, or what session it was, it still happened. These kids don't have a clue what to expect when they come to a track event... HyperFest is their introduction. I would think that we, as role models, should show them the importance of the basic necessary safety equipment and requirements to be on track. There were no restrictions on clothing or proper attire for the track. Instructors were driving, at speed, and doing dangerous maneuvers without helmets. I don't care how good they are, or even WHO they are, they wouldn't have been on the track without a helmet and proper attire if I was in CONTROL. I have sent Owners of Driver's Schools back to the paddock to put on a long-sleeve shirt before entering "my track". Am I a safety ****? Maybe so. But at a Hyperfest event, the most important thing that we should instill in the minds of the newbies is SAFETY. What do YOU think the newbies are thinking when they see Instructors driving without helmets? They automatically think that if you're "Good Enough", you don't need one. That is BS. Ask any instructor or racer. In my opinion, HyperFest did not set a good example of the importance of safety equipment.
I have been through the SCCA's Crash and Burn School, and the NASCAR Crash and Burn and Extrication School, and the things I have seen in training and on the track will be memories in my head forever, and will be things I'd like to never see again, but as long as people ignore safety rules and regulations I'm sure I will continue to see them. Burned bodies from improper attire are not a pretty sight.
It may take one accident, one burned body, and one law suit to finally kick the safety thing in gear for these events, but it won't be on my head. I won't instruct anybody, or control a track where proper track attire is ignored.

PS... Why weren't the Motorcycle Stunt Riders required to wear Leather??? All On-Track Motorcycle Schools and Motorcycle Sanctioning bodies require full leather riding suits, or you don't get on track. Why was it any different here?

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Thanks for the offer on the " " , but I think I'll pass. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Aww C'mon Everybody's doing it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XR4racer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Aww C'mon Everybody's doing it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The helmet horse has been beat to death, I'll take 6 please...



Good god I can't wait to get out of here (where I have nothing better to do than read crap as bad as this...)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JMU1337 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good god I can't wait to get out of here (where I have nothing better to do than read crap as bad as this...)</TD></TR></TABLE>
better than actually having crap to do, but being too unmotivated to do it
that deadline is getting awfully close.....