bluecrx

As far as performance and bang for the buck which is a better engine assuming both were swapped into the same vechicle

96BlackHB

itr, more torque

Kataku2K3

JDM ITR The only way i would ever go with the B16B is if i had an extra GSR crank and rods... Basically just have a GSR with the B16B stamp... It's the same **** tho as a B16A with a B18C block, higher R/S, lightly port/polished head, higher compression pistons (0.6:1 over a USDM B16A), upgraded cams and valvetrain, and NO TORQUE.. That's everything... Latez

Nameless RB26

ITR is not much more expensive than the CTR, so I'd have to say go with the ITR.

Kataku2K3

and Nameless knows...... he has one


[Modified by JDMspecEG6, 4:53 PM 12/10/2002]

sleeprhatch

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Lsos

I actually like torqueless motors, so if the two had equal power, I'd probably go with the CTR. The CTR also has to be slightly more durable due to the lower stroke.

But, the ITR has more power, more torque, and both are factory Honda motors so durability should not be an issue. As such, I myself will go with the ITR.

IhateMy93BlackHatch

yeah the ITR has more power, but it's all on u, if u want a Rare motor go with the CTR, I might do it if i dont do my swap anytime soon but more than likely i wont cause im impatient, i just would like the CTR cause u can Rev it all the way to 9K with no problem

Nameless RB26

You like torqueless motors? That's really really odd. You must not be into performance..

Durable? The ITR is 100% as durable as a CTR is. They are basically the same motor give or take a few specs.

Lsos

By this logic, I assume you consider a Harley guy to be more into performance than a CBR 600 guy?


The longer stroke and worse r/s on the ITR means that all else equal (which as you stated it is), the ITR will show signs of wear earlier than the CTR. I said this is probably not of any consequence, but nevertheless you can't deny this fact.

Kataku2K3

Okay for a crotch rocket it doesn't really matter... I personally like the high strung **** better... but that's a bike.... Suzuki GSXR 1100 But on a Honda that's a different story... I'm perfectly fine building a motor with a R/S near 1.6... That's why I like the B18C... You move up to a B16A with is what to be considered near perfect 1.74 R/S for reving but say goodbye to the torque... You move up to the next step being the CTR motor with those longer rods for it's 270mm deck and you get it's 1.8+ R/S that is higher than the optimal 1.75.... You can balance this out however you want... There may be less stress on a CTR motor with a high R/S but the torque just isn't there... MOST PEOPLE WANT TORQUE BUT THEN AGAIN I GUESS THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS... Latez

Nameless RB26

Not with a honda motor...

I shouldn't have said "performance" either - that doesn't quite go with that sentence. I was basically confused as to why you like less torque

Lsos

I like torqueless motors because I think they require more driver involvement. More downshifting, trying to keep the revs high....it's more fun that way.

I also enjoy the sound and the rush you get simply from the fact that the car revs high. I simply like the feel of the motor. I had a b16, and I almost never used it off of vtec . Even it the city, where I lived and drove it every day.

But, as I said, the B18C5 seems to only have advantages over the CTR, and hence I will go with the ITR motor. As you mentioned durability is not an issue with a factory Honda motor.

I know of quite a few people that doen't really care much about torque, as long as their car is fast. I have a friend who was a domestic guy. He now wants a Honda and doesn't give two ***** about torque after he drove my b16 crx. He just wants a quick car.

Kataku2K3

Horsepower is good but it's alway going to take torque to go somewhere... If you built a high horsepower motor with no torque ie (1.75+R/S) then you will have good top end power once you get moving but nothing for the intial start... So basically the way I see it it's gonna take a little more torque to make the car quick... Oh well this is just my opinion... Peace

-Darren-

they both rev to like 9k, plus itr 200+hp and more tq > ctr 185hp





[Modified by star&buc, 10:31 PM 12/11/2002]

Lsos

I actually posted a question a while back about the point of a CTR engine. Everything is the same as the ITR except the stroke, which I can't see making a difference in price. It would make a difference in redline, but Honda didn't seem to think so...I believe they both have the same claimed redline. The only answer that made some sense is that there's a racing series with 1.6l being the maximum displacement. Kind of a crappy reason to us, though...

itrSteez

i mean normally the price differences generally lay around 200 bucks or so... personally i'd take the itr motor just for the torque, like stated 1000 above.... but if i was **** and wanted a tight ctr replica or somthing then ya i'd go ctr.