stop trolling.

hows that for an idea?

t..

 

for top speed throw in the fifth gear of the f22 tranny in the h22 tranny, what do you guys think?

 

Here is the bottom line.

80 lbs is not as big a difference as you would think. People think they handle poorly, because everyone who decided not to get an H22 swap says they handle poorly. And that makes logical sense, but it is not correct.

If the car is set up properly, what little you give up in cornering, you will get back double down the straights. I have driven both B18C powered Civics and H22 powered Civics. It's just the way it is.

Here is some more food for thought. It is hard on some autocross tracks to stay in the B18C's powerband. The B18C may not always be the best tool for the job. Especially depending on you level of experience.

brian g

 

as the old saying goes:

"horses for courses"

true, i added 100lbs of engine to my car, and had to change the suspension accordingly...

she handles fine it is still on the edge of oversteer at the limit though, so i may have to start messing with spring rates for the setup to be *perfectly* neutral...

t..

 

H22 OWNZ b18c5 in a drag.... from a roll.... whatever it may be in a straight line..
and this is from watching it with my own eyes.. dont tell me its driver error either.. it doesnt take much driving skill to race from a roll... im not putting down c5 swaps, but from what I have "experienced" an h22 powered hatch will walk all over a b18c5 hatch with the same mods.

i maybe considered a newbie on this forum but ive been around the racing scene long enough to know better..

 

Oh no...

*Prepares for the standard H22 vs. B18c5 drag race response from Tom*

Actually, dude save us the reading with bold inserts etc and don't write another page about it again

EDIT: I just want to say..for the record, that I know Tom CREAMED the H22 hatch he raced with the same mods, same day, same track, same slicks etc. I don't doubt that...it's fact at this point.

Although, I will argue that while Tom had really good times for his car and setup, the H22a was quite higher than what I've personally seen. The few b18c5 hatches I've seen run pretty much 95% with Tom's times, while 95% of the H22a stripped hatches I've seen run will do high 12's with 100++ Traps quite often.


[Modified by hot_EG, 12:22 AM 10/29/2002]

 

flashbacks from last 4 pages hitting me hard!!!

oh no!!!

not again...

t..

 

maybe we should close this thread before more newbs come in and say stupid **** without reading the whole thread

let it go tom, let it go... not worth it, we ALL got the point lol

 

LOL

 

Which problem? Your horrible grammar? Your inability to complete a full thought in text? Your illogical continued references to people being "sex deprived" or what?

Oh do you mean the problem with your car? Oh yeah I'm pretty sure I'd know if I was losing compression in 3 cylinders - especially if one was all the way down at 75 dumbass. Also again if you're so ******* smart then why did you dragrace a car whose motor had valves that were bent and/or hitting the pistons?

Just tell us all which one it is:

1. Your car is slow.
2. You're really so stupid that you ran the car hard with bent valves.

Pretty simple choice I'd say.

Well then GET THE **** OUT if you don't like it. I will see to it that you are banned since your sole purpose here (other than trolling) is to "dump used parts y0! y0!" you little ****. This isn't the parts trader.

What? You're trying to educate 16 yards? What does that mean? If you are trying to educate others then I fear for the coming generations. I'm scared to think that you'll actually have kids one day - maybe they'll teach you how to read and write? That might be a good thing.

I'll make sure the admins see that. None of us here can stand **** who only come here to troll and sell - you are 2 for 2 now.

 

If you want to try and refute what I've been saying then you can discuss it here in the open for all to see. Don't be shy about your broken English and horrible sentence structure. I almost feel like I've accomplished something just because I think I'm getting the hang if discerning your own unique ghetto language.

Just one question:

Have you ever heard of capitalization or punctuation?

Now I'm not usually the grammar police, but your chicken scratch is undoubtedly one of the worst here on H-T.

You try to come off so hard and but yet all we can think of is some scared little boy because of your typing. You cannot sound too intelligent if you cannot convey a full and complete thought in text.

I dare you to post in the Civic forum like this - you'd be eaten alive in the Civic forum.

 

hey im here if you wanna talk about h22 and c5 but im not ganna waste bandwith for stupid internet fights, talk all the **** you want i really dont care. That why just pm me. That why this forum goes to ****. People like just talk **** and dont even care about the subject. But thats what happens when the forum is open to anyone who has a pulse and a internet connection.

 

B18C5 - EH2 and HEiyu need to quit with the dumb $hit. You're not accomplishing anything. Personally i have a hard time believing that an H22 in a civic isn't just as fast as a B18C5 in a civic. But you know what. If it is slower, i don't care, because i'm doing the H22 swap for a whole lot less than a C5. The C5 is kinda like Honda's SVT cobra motor whereas the H22 is like the 5.4L triton V8. Both are good motors, but the C5 is more hi-po race bred, the H22 is a powerful engine made to push a heavier car. ANyways, i plan on doing the Type-s motor in my hatch... and i'm sure i can see 13's all motor, but i'm going to spray anyways, so either way i'll be faster than most C5 hatches..... LATER

 

All in all I think some good information has come in and out of the post.. If you guys would perfer to make even more personal oppinions then by all means IM each other to death.. H22 weight issues.?? I say as long as you have a good suspension setup, which includes tires and bars then it shouldn't be any issue.

But again until someone actually auto-x's their car with a complete setup no one will ever know, not even Tom..

The only I do not know is the final drive ratio for the SIR h22a or Type S. Have been looking around for a while but to no avail.. Maybe one of you more resourcesful guys can help me out, unless its the same as its brothers..

 

Well the difference between me posting and the other guy is that I have actually contributed good information in this thread. Yes I'm guilty of flaming the guy for things other than his "info" on H22A vs. B18C5, but I've also added things that some people might not have ever heard of before.

 

So where are you from? Where are these 12 second H22A hatches then? not saying it ain't possible, but I've not seen 12 second hatches here with H22A swaps with only i/h/e as mods.

I may or may not hit a 12.99 for sure, but I'm confident that it will at least be a 13.0. If I could get down to Moroso then I'd say that my chances of having a 12 second B18C5 with i/h/e would be much greater.

 

haha, there's a weight issure? come on ppl, it's only about 80lbs heavier than a b series, it doesn't make THAT much of a difference!!!!!!!!

 

utah, don't think I have a chance, but I'd love to show you an H22 5th gen EJ that can corner, as well as I'd love to be shown how a C5 EG can corner since I have ridden in a C5 EK.

it's always good info. debate still goes on....

Amen to what Jason and Brian said, however.

I believe a C5 can corner better than an H22A in a Civic, but like Brian said, the B18C's powerband is pretty hard to stay in since all of it is at top end, and as for the H22, the powerband is pretty much thru the whole thing, thus, would pull you out of a corner faster during straights (what Brian said).

Point in closing...it'd be a good race.

I'm still down for a ride, but too far


[Modified by poison, 9:46 AM 10/29/2002]


[Modified by poison, 9:47 AM 10/29/2002]

 

[sarcasm] damn man, why didn't you come earlier to this thread? we could haveused that original and ground breaking info.. YOU GUYS!!! STOP ARGUEING... THIS GUY SAYS IT'S NO BIG DEAL!!! Damn I wish we had covered this earlier [/sarcasm]

LOL


[Modified by H22AMedina, 6:21 PM 10/29/2002]

 

Mr Brian G,

What do the k series weigh?

See you at SEMA.

Ryan

 

I'll weigh one today.

See ya at SEMA

brian g

 

K series is actually 20lbs. lighter than the B18C5.

 

Isn't what makes it lighter than a C5 motor the aluminum block (if i am not mistaken), other than that what components make it lighter?

 

Huh? they both have aluminum blocks, in fact all Hondas 1990-up have aluminum blocks. 1988-up Civic/Integras used aluminum too.

 

DFW...Texas.

I don't doubt that you can surely hit a 13.0, even a 12.9...not even for a second do I doubt that.

I realize track conditions etc affect a lot, but I've seen 3 EG C5 powered cars run here. all I/H/E (good setups too..not DC powa y0 ).and the times have ranged from a 12.9 to a 13.6 in an EG Si. Highest traps I've seen have been 102. all on slicks.

I've also seen 3 H22 EG's run here...I/H/E again, some even with just intake. Times have ranged from a 12.6 to a 13.6...with the highest trap being a 105 so far. All on slicks.

If you want something on the net, I believe Newman ran consistent 12's with his setup. Don't know the specifics of his setup though.

Now I haven't been to the track in a while, so I haven't seen anything TOO recently, but when I used to attend, this is what I saw.

However, as important as 1/4 times are to me, 'street' realistics are more important to me...

Most people with a C5 launch at ~7K or so..and launch HARD to get a good 1/4 time. Something you could NEVER do on the street...reminds me of guys with Si's. A few guys can run 15 flat or so...but this is launching high and hard....something VERY hard to do on the street (for me anyway), whereas H22 guys seem to not launch nearly as high, and can usually manage almost the same 60ft's and be more consistent (in street trim mind you..don't jump all over me! lol).

It all reminds me of launching a b16 vs. launching a decent V6....you literally have to LAUNCH the b16, whereas the v6 you can almost totally bog your launch, but still not get left behind because of the low(er) end TQ. That's what I like about the h22, among other things. It requires a lot of driver skill to get a good start on the street...probably more skill than I would consider myself to have with a C5. The H22 however..an idiot can be fast in that

Now I know, Tom..you did like a 13.9 or something in full street trim at one point, but as you've proven...you're better than the average driver. I hardly think it's appropriate to base an argument from your own unique experience.

I don't track race much..mostly stoplight to stoplight grunts...and for me, in my personal situation, the H22 was the way to go.

This is all, of course IMHO


I've seen a lil red EG with a C5 running around my area..I want to get a lil race with him when I'm done

Sorry for the novel all...good day