uh oh..... hmmmmm.

I'm still agreeing with you B18C5-EH2, and I still like the C5, I'm just pushing your buttons to see what you say, because I think it's funny and continuously debating on, yet another C5 vs H22 thread when you HATE those threads

 

Type SH, F22 tranny, LSD h22 tranny are completely different just as the different B series trannies.

As for LSD h22 swap hatch vs C5 hatch, i'd love to see the comparison with that.

 

its all about the gearing...the h22 tranny sucks for all out accleration...a while back i saw someone working on building a bellhousing so that u could put a b seriers tranny on a h motor...it prolly wont happen but if it did then the h motor with a (lets say jdm itr tranny )would own all...would it not Tom??? its all about the gearing...the b18c5 was designed and made for racing straight up...the h22 was made only for nice smooth torgue and good accelartion in a big *** car...so they are kinda hard to compare....but once again its all in the gearing...both motors rock, theyre just set up totally different...


[Modified by jDmDxTuRd, 3:29 PM 10/28/2002]

 

I don't know where you are getting that everybody says that H22a puts down more power 'hands down'...both engines stock are rated at 195-200hp!!? The C5 has gearing, whereas the h22 has torque..relatively at least.

Another thing that nobody mentions during the h22a/R fights...

I don't know how in the WORLD you people with R swaps can stand crusing at 4K RPM on the highway. Or maybe you never drive on the highway, and in return don't care? Maybe that's it.

The gearing for acceleration might be good in the R, but 5th gear cruising sucks a wicked nut...well, unless you cruise at like 50mph, but who does that?

I don't know how anybody can argue either engine is 'better'...

Mod for mod a 4th gen VTEC can hang right with an R...well except maybe on the road course, for obvious reasons.

 

Let me list motor prospects in order again.. Top being the top.

h22a4 Prelude SIR/S
b18C5 Integra Type R
h22a JDM
b18 GSR
h22a US
b16 Ex/Si

Of course this is only my opinion except for the top 2.. And h22a4 ownz joo all!!! hehehehe

 

Compared where? The H22A hatch I dragged against had factory LSD.

 

well since we are on the subject of gearing, and Tom asked to see it last time I saw him I thought it appropriate to put them up..this is straight from helms.. also I know the SH has different gears.. this only apply's to 92-96

f22:
3.307
1.809
1.230
.903
.705
fd: 4.062

h23a1:
3.307
1.857
1.320
1.034
.812
fd: 4.266

H22A1
3.307
1.950
1.360
1.071
.870
fd: 4.266

okay unless the Honda service manual has a typo the above figures are correct and double checked, some one throw up the b series tranny specs for comparison, to see what we are dealing with

Tom, tires are sweet, especially in the rain, no damn hydroplaining for me anymore lol.. the brakes are much better.. still looking to get those damned rotors.. offtopic: what do you think of endless rotors???

 

well said Jon, Brian and Shawn

 

Well look at heiyu boy's posts. He's not the only one that says that either - I see it in nearly every H22A vs. whatever thread.

Well you are right, but then again the B16A trannies have the same cruising highway RPM too. I don't mind it at all really. In fact I even had an ATS 4.929FD in my ITR tranny (with GS-R .787 5th gear though) and although it broke I'll be popping in another one sometime down the road and I'm keeping the ITR .848 5th gear - imagine that on a closed road course! I'd hit top speed on decent straights that way.

Might sound funny coming from me, but I actually do agree. I think my biggest problem with "which is better" threads is that what's better for me might not be for you, but at least when I argue a point I'm arguing with some logic and personal experiences. My unique perspective on things adds to the various debates, don't you think? I've owned/own all 3 major B-Series swaps (B16A2, B18C1, B18C5) and i've driven 2 H22A Civics - one coupe and one hatch. Although you might not agree with me at least I don't argue with bullshit like people like heiyu, etc. The guys who say "H22A sucks because it's like 150lbs. heavier and they can't turn..." deserve much more brutalizing than I should ever get, right?



...and I would like to see this in person. No I'm not saying that it's not possible, but I'm hoping to see this proven, that's all. Again I'd like to build an H22A hatch some day to know it's done right and then have no excuses for how it runs *if* it doesn't perform as expected. I'm sure it would be a night and day difference from the old B16A2 in the fiancee's car. But that won't be for a loing while I'm sure.

In the end I'm not shitting on your H22A swaps guys, but more trying to show that there are people out there who do in fact say that the H22A is more powerful hands down and that it will beat the **** out of any and all B-Series stuff in drag "because it's bigger" and that **** just is NOT true. Thanks to heiyu for showing me that ignorance still lives on string here in the honda community.



For the money the H22A swap is ******* bad-***. What did I just say? Yeah you all heard/read me right. I have no objections to it until my toes get stepped on by the radical "and you can smoke the over priced pver rated B18C5 swaps too because the H22A is more powerful and has more torque, etc..."

Unless Mr. Heiyu comes back with more flowing retardation I'm prbably done in here. I didn't really prove a point as much as I did just try and gets some things straightened out.

I'm not too far from Tennessee JDM Dx Turd - when can I get a ride y0? and in the same breath when will one of you let me take you down a twisty road in my car and scare the **** out of you? H22A Medina? Anyone?

 

you scared the **** out of me in my own car... I'd probably die in your car lol

what's the damn b series gearing someone.. for ****'s and giggles

also.. when talking about cruising at 4000 on the highway, what do you mean, you think it's to high or too low, because my coupe is chillin at an indicated 4000 rpms doing 68 mph sooo... my **** is definately a little more high strung that I want.. but that's the breaks

 

Compare B18C5/H22A:

1st - 3.231/3.307
2nd - 2.105/1.950
3rd - 1.458/1.360
4th - 1.107/1.071
5th - .848/.870
Final - 4.400/4.266

See the big deal about gearing now? I knew my mind wasn't messing with me in my girl's Dad's Prelude.

What this also points out is that the Prelude actually cruises at the same RPM in 5th gear on the freeway as an ITR, so hot eg what do you think about that? Remember that the Prelude has an actually shorter 5th gear than the ITR does, but it's 4.266 FD makes it about even. So actually prepare to be annoyed on the highway bro!



the 4.266 FD looks to be the worst part of the Prelude gearing besides that crazy-*** drop from 1st to 2nd gear. I'd think that big gap from 1st to 2nd gear would really hurt the H22A in a dead stop race. The ITR has it's biggest gap from 4th to 5th, but on the dragstrip that won't mean ****. On the freeway? It might help the H22A, but again the H22A's FD is only 4.266.

Does anyone yet make an aftermarket FD for the H22A tranny? I have had an ATS 4.929Fd in my ITR tranny and it freaking ruled. I think that would be the first step in a better comparison for the H22A and B18C5 trannies.

Lastly:

Honda's not stupid. They made gears 1-4 so tight on the B18C5 because it is race bred and has not too much torque down low. Gearing helps that more than you might think. They made the gears longer and gave the H22A a taller FD because it has some extra torque to push those gears better, but again the car wasn't designed to be a road racer like the ITR was. I'm baffled as to why in the hell honda would make the 5th gear cruising rpm the same on both cars though. I'd think the Prelude would get a lower cruising RPM! Not getting uppity, but that's the truth.

Also it should be noted that if we're gonna argue top speed, keep in mind the H22A revs to 7200rpm while the B18C5 can be revved to 9000rpm safely.

What are your thoughts on this guys?

 

You have short term memory loss.. Like i said earlier i was running some missmarked JG camgears which thru off my cam timing. Also causing my valves to hit the piston when vtec engaged. had 75 120 120 145 compression. and i still ran a 14.7.

Im really sorry if me typing "slick" instead of "slicks" offended you. You guys from the dirty south must be really critical with your grammer. I really sorry im English teacher is prob shaking her head as i type right now

Anys none of this is means anything ive said the same **** before and you either didnt read or forgot, but Come on your really the only person that doesnt agree with most of us here. You arguing on the internet with alot of people who really dont care. Just calm done and spend more time on your car. Your life would be a lot better if you would just take out your sexual frustration on some internet ****, instead of causing arugments on a honda board. We are all here to learn about a common thing. Maybe you should have stayed in those aol teen chats?????

 

I'm always down for going in any fast honda

 

Well I'm glad you didn't try to rebutt most of my valid points against you.

If you'll read all of the other replies (not directed towards you) you'd see that my sole purpose here isn't to **** on the H22A.

Sorry but I just cannot resist:

If you know so much then how could you not hear your valves bitch-slapping your piston then? why in the hell would you even run the car at the dragstrip in that condition? You're telling me that you didn't bend any valves? I find that imposible to believe.

Either you really weren't hitting piston to valves, or you're just kind of stupid to drive your car that hard in such bad shape.

Which is it?

 

Where you located?

 

what the hell sort of MORON are you anyway!!!!!

if i were you i would sit down and shut up.

just a thought.

t..

 

I think that's pretty gay by Honda...an engine with decent torque deserves a LOW crusing RPM...like the 6 spd GM's..they cruise at what..like 1400 RPM or something?


This is really confusing me....

Not too long ago, I was in my friends '94 VTEC lude, and we were cruising beside an R...I don't remember what the RPM was in the lude, but it wasn't very high...Maybe 3K or so..Kinda like my old LS swap. I could hear the R OVER the prelude...it was a constant 'mEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE' annoying sound

Now if you guys are telling me that I'm going to be like that after I get my swap done, I must say I was grossly mistaken when I planned all this out in the beginning




Are the JDM and USDM trans geared differently for the h22's?

 

See hot eg, I'm not just some worthless H22A hater fucktard am I?

I've got some good insight, eh?

Yes sadly enough your H22A will have the same cruising RPM in 5th gear as an ITR swap - this is something that you will just get used to. It doesn't bother me at all, but if you were really hoping for a 5th gear smoother cruiser then you will be upset the first road trip you take.

I'd say get a really quiet exhaust, because with my Tanabe RD it's really loud and resonant in the car - again it doesn't bother me, but it might bother the **** out of you.

As far as JDM vs. USDM gearing i'd probably say that if anything the JDM **** might have a higher cruising rpm in 5th because they don't take too many road trips in Japan do they?

 

Now you are going into the cam lift/duration and bore/stroke issue here.

and that's strictly displacement. Amost 95% of h22a's make power LOWER than a smaller displacement motor (B-series) due for obvious reasons.

I haven't seen an H22A rev to 9000 RPM's, although I believe it's possible if built right with ITB's, but then again B18C5 is possible to go to a motorcycle's rev area.

It's strictly because of the cam lift/duration as well as stroke.

bigger the stroke, the less higher RPM, but then again you want the max power to be as lower RPM as possible that way it'll crawl up and not take as much strain to get it to higher RPM's.

that's just my logic for power.

 

..plus the majority, if not all of them, are running factory cams. They`re not going to make much power after 7,200rpm, let alone 9k.

Funny argument. H22 Hatches always feel fast, but usually are not, unless they are squeezing. The h22 loves nos. Honda owners are fooled by the feel of torque too easily.

Ryan

 

 

w3rd, y0.

 

OK i highly doubt that anyone here would know what the ******* problem was..

I swear all of you think you know sooooo much. Im sure some of you here know about hondas but 98% of this whole ******* board is filled will complete sex-deprived idoits . OMG i swear That why this board is completly useless except for dumping used parts. Who ever runs this serously need to look at he hybrid.jp and learn somthing from there to keep guys from jumping over from clubsi and aol chats rooms. btw to the other guy if you read this very quote you can tell i did bend my valve. I feel like im trying to educate 16yrd. adios ill see this board when i need to sell somthing.

 

additionally, you continued references to sexual matters is deeply disturbing..

t..

 

funny im still waiting for your im if you like to discuss your lame ideas??? Like i said its a complete waste of space to explain who many ways your wrong just im me what you think and i show how most of the **** you throw is wrong