anti muscle

Ok after much thought, research and consideration I am still undecided on what swap 2 go with. I am thinking about a B16B or a B18C5. I am also think of a turbo kit later on. I would like 2 know what engine is more suitable for this swap and why.

P.S. I drive a 98 Civic Coupe
Thanks

BlendedEJ8

if your seriously thinking of going turbo. and for the price of a complete c5 (thats not stolen. ) do a B18b and u can get some turbo goods for it for the same price... LS is s great boost block.

HONDA_TYPE_R

I personally would not want to boost on a B16B or B18C-R or C5. They have stratospheric compression ratios, and adding boost to that increases cylinder pressures quite a bit. Now if your a baller and can afford an engine build up before boost...why not?
Getting an LS motor and do a buildup first, then boosting would be the most beneficial. That way you can turn the boost up gradually as you get used to the power/get addicted to the boost.
You may also want to think about a CRV motor, or a GSR motor.

anti muscle

Yeah the K24 is one option, but with that motor I run in 2 the same problem I did when thinking of dropping in a H22 which is that they are 2 big . Thats why I am choosing between a B16B or B18C5, and what would make the GSR a more suitable swap than a I-Type-R??

bossman032

b16b for now then high compression ITR with ctr pistons later down the road

poison

For turbo later on, I'd go with just a GSR motor.

poison

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wtf? B16B is just pointless if you plan on tapping into the engine.

Adam.

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P.S. I drive a 98 Civic Coupe
Thanks </TD></TR></TABLE>

You should really plan out before you make either decision. Both of those swaps are relatively expensive for the power you are going to get from them. Personally, I'd make the decision of turbo or not. If turbo then how much hp. If that can be achieved efficiently with the setup you have now or with a cheaper motor then I'd head in that direction. There's no reason to take a couple of motors built specifically for all-motor and turbo.

anti muscle

Once again what makes the GSR a more suitable swap than the I-Type-R, if its the price than I am not really worried about that, if its something els than I would like 2 know why??

Adam.

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Unless you make a ridiculous amount of money price always matters. All the '04 members who ask this question say price doesn't matter.

Price always matters. Getting a c5 over a c1 will easily at $2-3k to your build for very minimal power gains. Think about it. If you want to make large amounts of power you are going to have to sleeve and get lower compression pistons, not only that, but you'll probably want to get a set of turbo cams. So then with your awesome c5 you have a slightly better IM, and slightly +1 better head flow. Both of which would be well less to upgrade a c1 to better than a c5 rather than paying for the c5.

Not only that, but you obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you think an h22 or k24 are too big. Just stop posting now. Research for 4-5 solid months and then rethink your plan. Is the $10-15k (meaning if you aren't loaded you will be poor for a long time or maybe even go into debt) plus speeding tickets & insurance going to be worth the thrill?

james p.

If you're going Natural Aspiration, you've picked two very fine motors. Another option would be the K20.

But I have the sneaking suspicion that you are very young and quite anxious to be going fast. Thats respectable ~ we all started somewhere.

I'm going to have to agree that the engines you choose are not what most people would pick if going for Forced Induction.

If I were you, I would turbocharge the engine you got now, which I'm assuming is a D16 SOHC VTEC. Start off with a decent boost, 0,5 to 0,6 bar (don't ask me in psi ~ I don't know) using a T28 Garrett or something equivelant.

Since money isn't an option, get used to that setup, get used to driving a boosted engine, and when you're ready, get your B18 (or GSR) swap and begin the build.

Furthermore, there are other alternatives such as a B20, and the H22's size is not an issue, I think must you meant is it's too heavy?,... which in any case, the weight difference is not that much as many make it out to be.

Anyhow, continue searching, read about other peoples expiriences/troubles and then decide, and whatever you do try to keep it safe for you and others on the road.

nonvtecD

Whats wrong with a good old JDM B16. Lower compression, 170 hp, good for boost or all motor. Oh, and way way cheaper.

Lsos

The motors you mention are set up specifically for NA. Boosting them kind of defeats their purpose, and if you want to boost them properly then you have to change out some of the parts that make them type R motors in the first place...hence why you should stick with GSR or something.

If you must have a type R motor, go with the b18c5. B16B is a destroked b18c5 for reasons unkown to me, it makes less power, and doesn't cost much less.

bossman032

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wtf? B16B is just pointless if you plan on tapping into the engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

because if your like me you get ur engines at half cost.
I didn't buy my engine for 4g half of that

anti muscle

As for the H22 engine bieng too big thats mainly because I am not looking forward 2 getting rid of my a/c, yeah I know it sounds dumb, but in Texas a/c is a must.

Adam.

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Listen man. I live in south florida. I have no a/c. I've survived 100+ degree days. Was it fun? no. Would I still make the sacrifice? hell yea. It's all about being in the scene and modding your car. You can keep your a/c w/ an h22 just as easily as any other swap. The problem you will run into is when you go turbo. You'll have to have enough roome for the manifold/turbo/intercooler/radiator/radiator fan/condensor/condensor fan/piping/hoses. Believe me one of them will have to go and the only components that are expendable are your a/c.

HONDA_TYPE_R

I would rather boost a B20 (I never mentioned the K24) than boosting the queen of all motor (no longer king because K20A2 dethroned it) power. A built B20 would be a bit less hassle and WAAYYY cheaper than a built and boosted ITR motor. Lsos has it right. Why buy an ITR motor for boost when you are going to have to replace the internals??? I wouldn't want to run a motor with anything over 10:1 compression. You run into the risk of running lean and melting a piston, or having to a high a cylinder pressure and rattling a sleeve loose. Either path you choose, good luck!!!