hobo79

is it worth it to spend 1000 or more xtra for a GSR motor than a Si motor b16a2?.....only diff would be a lil more hp (10) and torque right?.......how much would both run about with install? this is going to be in a civic 98 ex coupe. i heard the b16a2 is easier and bolts on directly while the gsr needs a mount kit, etc.

HXMan

b18c install is the exact same. No special mounting kit necessary.

Get the b18c, I wish I did. No torque sucks.

1.8EG-T

Yeah, gsr over b16 anyday, never compared dynos but I would guess that it makes more power through out the entire rpm band, and probably goes higher than 10 hp and 10 ibs of torque somewhere in there.

Kamin

i ordered my b16 but im going torbo so a little torque down low dosent hurt too much in the long run

jinxproof99

gsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgsrgs rgsrgsr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HXMan

Very true my friend. Turbo also likes b16 R/S ratio.

B19CivicHB

God yes! Go B18C all the way. no contest

BoM

*anything with mods will be better than another engine stock*

B18C1 is just a better engine hands down
drive an SI, then drive a GSR
then drive a GSR with 200 lbs off the car

"1.8 makes life great"

Katman

once again, there's no replacement for displacement.

CLICC916

10 hp and 10 ft-lbs of torque more...MAX. i dont have any dyno charts to prove it, but i do believe that the torque is ALOT more in the gsr than the b16 in the low and midrange....my friend's have 2 98 civic cx's. one has a b16a2 and the other has a gsr...the gsr does mid 14's on street tires and the b16 does low 15's on street tires...stock for stock (other than header/intake/exhaust--which both of them have)...its up to you to decide what you want to do with your car...

GZR4DR

Or buy the B16, then do a B20 vtec conversion on it. It will only cost a little more than the GSR motor.

But B16 vs B18C1, GSR all the way. Spend the extra money.

walker111

i have a b16a2 in a 92 hatch with intake and a header 14.1
my friend has a b18c1 in a 92 hatch with i/h/e 14.6
i say b16

VTC_CiViC

Actually it's 10hp and 17lbs of torque peak more for the GS-R.

bojangs

really depends how you'll be driving it and what you have planned for it.. but for na street driving the torque of a 1.8l is a night and day difference from the putt putt low-end of a b16.. if i could do it all over again i'd go 1.8 from the start.. ah well.. live n' learn..

B18C5-EH2

My fiancee' and I both own 1992 Civic Si hatches and beteween the two of us we've got the b-series VTEC thing covered.

I have had a 1995 B18C1 in my car, and now have a 1998 B18C5 in it.

She has a 1999 B16A2 in her car.

When I had the GS-R swap, we both had IDENTICAL mods - I/H/E, clutch, EVERYTHING.

Which one do I prefer? The B18C1 over the B16A2. Why? More low-end grunt to get you going was the main reason, and once in VTEC the GS-R motor still felt stronger. Don't get me wrong - the B16A2 is bad-*** - dynoed BASE of 143whp with bolt-ons. 100lb/ft torque too. My GS-R dynoed 150whp after tuning (sorry, I know) and 123lb/ft of torque (good). Where are you getting low mileage B16A2 for $1000.00 cheaper than B18C1s?

As far as trannies go...how could anyone say that the B16A2 trannies are crap? SAME gearing as my TypeR tranny, just no LSD. If anything, the GS-R tranny is less desirable due to slightly longer gearing - at least for all-motor or stock motor configurations.

And the ITR swap? At first I was dissappointed in it, but since I only paid $4000.00 for the WHOLE wrecked ITR, I wasn't complaining. I ran a 14.6 in my GS-R swap.

I ran a 13.9 @ 100.97mph in the ITR swap with less mods.

For the money you CANNOT go wrong with the GS-R/B18C1 swap. Plus the GS-R is better for NOS or turbo to begin with vs. the B16A2. True the rod ratio on the B16A is awesome, but who goes that far when they build up a turbo, right?

My 2 cents - from experience.

B18C5-EH2

BTW:

HELLO KATMAN! KNOW WHO THIS IS?

Katman

unfortunatley I do