wow my comparison of a k20 civic to a "stock" s2k got blown out of proportion. I meant for the cost of a s2k you could build a decent k20 civic which "could" beat it in auto-x and 1/4. the Kseries dominate autox and circuit. Its so much better that K cars must add 300lbs and must have 100% oem motor in circut racing and still wins. The reason people drag race them because they make way more power than B series. That's why SFWD has to add 500lbs to a K car to make it fair.

S2k's are not cheap to mod or get power out of without FI or increasing displacement. By no means am I saying a K-swapped civic/integra are better than a S2000. Each car has its own purpose and you buy/build it within your intentions and budget.

If your looking for a fun unique roadster that performs well from the factory without modding I say get the S2K. But keep in mind it has all the typical roadster traits which are not bad things but rather an acquired taste.

 

This decision has nothing to do with analysis. Just drive one and then see if you even WANT to upgrade your civic anymore.

 

I already own a civic. That Inline Kit is a pricey kit... I think I remember someone saying like $6000? And there is also quite a bit of money in that 2JZ swap.

And if I am not mistaken K20/K24's have been able to safely get close to 300HP N/A and 600+ boosted on a stock block. I could be wrong...but I think last time I checked this was the case.

This is exactly what I have been trying to understand.

If I were to put $12,000 - $15,000 (What it cost for a GOOD condition AP1) into a civic I would think I would be able to build a car that is more capable and handled better than a stock S2000. Maybe I am wrong...I don't honestly know.

 

And you'd still be driving a car Civic "people carrier" in comparison to a purpose built S2000.

You need to go actually drive a S2000. You're asking for advice on the Internet in a Honda forum. Go drive one, and come to your own conclusion. I think your mindset will change significantly.

I own a 2005 GT35R STi putting down 530 WHP, and I honestly enjoy driving my bone stock S2000 far more than my STi. That should tell you something.

 

I'm contemplating on getting one as well. Find the right one and you're good to go. The price isn't really bad at all right now for one. I'd rather drive a newer S2000 than a raggity old Civic. Only thing I probably have to worry about is insurance costs. But I believe I can cover that up easy.

 

unless you are a seriously wreckless driver and/or have a pretty tarnished driving record, insurance should not be a problem for you.

 

You pretty much summed up the conclusion that I had come to. I'm not looking to mod it either lol, I know I know..I say that now, but the mod bug will bite. I think they're enjoyable as it is stock, and would give me a greater then feeling of owning one as to owning a Civic.

 

haha when I bought mine I got it brand new in 2004. I told myself I wasn't going to mod it either. I held out for four years before I did any mod on it. Best thing I ever did was wait and learn the car.

 

Hahaha, I gotta learn 'RWD' I guess, and more power on the touch of course.

 

I told myself I wasn't going to mod mine. I lowered it 1 week later. 2-3 weeks after that, I bought the OEM lip. Then an intake. Then some ADVANs. Then some coilovers. Then some tires. Now I'm looking at an exhaust. Maybe thinking about going F.I. at some point. Plus I gotta get a hard top....

I bought a GS-R for a DD. I said I wasn't going to mod it. So I bought an intake the first week. Then I bought a header. I had to modify the exhaust...so I just got bigger piping all the way back....Then my GF bought me a SKUNK2 IM.

Then I bought an EM1 for a DD. I said I wasn't going to mod it. The car allready had I/H/E...but the exhaust was too loud. So I bought a world sport. And a head unit. And some oem style foglights. And a OEM CTR boot/replica ****. I held out for a few months after that. Then a shop owner who I'm kinda friends with sold me an ITR IM for $100. Then I found a 22mm ITR rear bar at a junkyard. So I bought a beaks kit. Then I bought some eibachs and shocks to lower it. I had to buy LCAs because the stock ones had bolts frozen to the bushings. Then I bought some wheels for it.

I have really bad resolve.

 

Insurance on as S2K is surprisingly not that bad.

GO DRIVE ONE.

 

Well I am not to worried about insurance. I have a clean record.

I just don't know anywhere I was really "Drive" an S2000. Like...there is driving... and then there is "Driving".
I have driven a few S2000's at dealerships where they don't really let you get on them. And don't get me wrong...I enjoyed the heck out of the ride... Hmmmm...

 

lol the K20 made 600WHP on a stupid one-time dyno tune. the S2k's F20 is consistently reliable at above 400whp. The stock block boosted K20's usually stay around 300whp. haha maybe you should stay in the civic since you appear to be such a fan.

 

Surprisingly the Suby dealership let me take it out on a drive with my gf to have fun with.

 

I'm not really that big of a fan of the civic. In fact...if you read my first post I said I wanted to sell it. If we were going to be COMPLETELY honest...I dont even like the civic because its played out. Everyone and their mothers brother has a civic hatch...its not original anymore.

And there are in fact quite a few K series motors making over 400HP on stock blocks.

I need to find a place that will let me do that. hahaha.

 

Just for that you shouldn't get a S2000. Don't get it not to be a civic fanboi. You think s2ks are not getting played out? They are. It was in 2F2F and it was pink. But you don't see me trading mine in for something not "played out". The whole scene is played out. Get the car if your an enthusiast or want a well performing roadster. Someone mentioned in another thread that you need to have a little respect and know the limitations of the s2k so yo don't wrap it around a tree (any RWD for that matter) and its true. You're not going to be different with a s2k, you're still going to be another kid in a Honda. I'm not being mean bro, just straight up.

 

show me 5.

as for the s2k, ill say every inlinePRO kitted or full-race kitted S2k is over 400whp. why? because the pistons are forged, can you say the same for the K20?

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/honda-techs-highest-horsepower-stock-block-thread-%2Aofficial%2A-2036623/

So you are saying I shouldn't own an S2000 just because I said that civics are played out? Civics have been played out for YEARS and I still own one and drive one.

So its wrong that I want to be somewhat original and not get a civic even though its lighter and can make similar HP as the S2000? It's not ok for me to NOT want a car because everyone else has it? Man, imagine the import scene if everyone thought like you.

Around here 1 in probably every 5 import cars I see are some form of civic. Hatch, Coupe, etc.

There are VERY few S2000's around here that are tuned. I know of MAYBE 2 turbo S2000's. The other few I have seen have exhausts and that's about it. I don't know about how it is in Florida.

And that's not the MAIN reason I want an S2000 anyhow.

 

show me 5 that are daily driven is what i meant.

I count for one for the S2k's and I can more than name 5 on this forum or ski.

 

I don't know if those are DD's or not. And I can't honestly don't care to search enough to prove to you there are 5 out there. I would be willing to bet there are many out there that are. I can't imagine most K series turbo cars would NOT be daily driven.

I never said the S2000 couldn't make power. I said that it was expensive to make power with the S2000 motors...but I never said it COULDN'T make power.

I love how this has been a constant battle with people thinking I am some kinda S2000 hater and came in here to knock it and say its a POS or something. I ****ing love the S2000. I wouldn't have come in here asking for you guys opinions on weather i should get one or not if I didn't think the car was sweet. I merely wanted some people to give me hard proof that the car is a better performer than other cars modified.

 

you're the one that feels the need to argue for the civic because you don't want to miss out on that "OMG UNLIMITED P-O-T-E-N-T-I-A-L ! UNLIMITED!" and when I give you a practical example of why the S2000 is superior to your run of the mill piece of **** civic you choose to argue.

The K20 is an inferior motor to the S2000 motors in every way shape and form. don't you think there's a reason why the F20/F22c are in honda' mass-produced sportscar where as the K20 is in a pile of **** be it a CRX a civic or a RSX ? do you think they put inferior technology into new motors? what kind of R&D team thinks of doing that?

So why leave the decision to a bunch of people you want to argue with? While we give you honest and sincere points you choose to say there are better alternatives. why don't you go get one of those better alternatives with better bang for buck value? If you can't appreciate the S2000 as a whole and don't understand the appeal of it then it simply isn't for you. For those of us who have driven an s2000 and enjoy it we all know why we got the car and why we're keeping it. For me I have a reliable 400+ whp daily driver while i build up a diff/tranny/motor before its my 600+whp daily driver.

And just for your information, the pistons of a K20 will not last at 400+ whp because the cast pistons are the achilles' heel of the K20. Whereas an F20C/F22c has forged pistons/rods IIRC.

 

You're just looking for excuses because you feel guilty giving up on your civic project. Here's the other thing - time, trouble, money.

A bone stock S-2000 will work the civic until you sink tens of thousands into it, and it will ALWAYS be more reliable and less trouble.

Do you want to be constantly dicking around with your daily driver? Or do you want a sexy, fun daily driver that you can just turn the key every morning and not think about it?

 

Shop a private party S-2000 if you have to, but find a way to drive one hard, and then see what you think.

 

I love thinking about this lol.

 

Tens of thousand dollars? Sorry but you have been watching to much fast and furious. Give me 8,000 dollars I will buy a civic and use the renaming money to smoke an "S-2000"