downshifting to slow down is ideal because your engine braking. as soon as you let go of the gas, your engine is essentially "braking" also why not just let the motor do what its meant to

 

Engine = To Accelerate.

Brakes = To Brake.

I'll stick to the basics.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SilverDc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Engine = To Accelerate.

Brakes = To Brake.

I'll stick to the basics.</TD></TR></TABLE>

then stay a basic driver.

 

do we need the clutch to go to neutral from a gear? jus thot it might help save my clutch

 

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then stay a basic driver. </TD></TR></TABLE>

x2

 

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then stay a basic driver. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Street = Street Driving

Track = Race Driving.

 

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Street = Street Driving

Track = Race Driving. </TD></TR></TABLE>

-2

 

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Brakes = To Brake.

I'll stick to the basics.</TD></TR></TABLE>
u should try to find a car that has 2 pedals not 3

in my old lude i never didnt downshift/revmatch .. however in the S ive learned how annoying clutch buzz is, so i tend to sit in neutral more often.

 

What is "clutch buzz" and what is revmatch? Sorry for all the NOOB questions.

 

Clutch buzz is something all the early s2ks had wrong with them. It's just an annoying vibration. I got over it quickly. You can look it up and find the technical explanation.

Rev matching is matching the rpm's to what they would be if you were to shift down into a lower gear. successfully doing this regardless of what anyone says is a difficult skill to master.

 

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Rev matching is matching the rpm's to what they would be if you were to shift down into a lower gear. successfully doing this regardless of what anyone says is a difficult skill to master.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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easy to do, difficult to master. Important? not really when doing daily driving...unless you drive on the highway like an Indy car

 

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x2

easy to do, difficult to master. Important? not really when doing daily driving...unless you drive on the highway like an Indy car </TD></TR></TABLE>
x3

 

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(Apologies as I forgot the shaft name, but I'm giving the basic rundown of what happens).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Input shaft.

 

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no. it does use more gas. It's not negligible, either. This depends on how many times you downshift. If you're mainly a highway driver, and you only downshift a couple times, it doesn't matter. But if you drive around town or in the city and you're heel-toe-ing and rev matching all the time, all that throttle blipping adds up. Think about just revving your car up and down like 100 times a day. It does use more gas.

That argument aside, I do heel-toe or downshift sometimes. It's a bad habit that's hard to break lol. Motor mounts, clutches, etc, are hard to replace. Brakes are easy to replace. Your engine, synchros, etc all recieve more cycles as well. This causes things not to last as long. I know as long as you know what you're doing, you wont break anything...but think about all the extra times your pistons, crank, cams, trans shafts, gears, etc. are moving.

My footwork is supreme when I get out on the track, dont get me wrong...but usually for daily driving, I just use the brakes to stop. I downshift more in my S2000 that my GSR, though. I BARELY EVER downshift in my GSR. I do it in my S2000 more because I only drive that for the fun of driving. lol...driving my GSR is more mundaine.

 

So why is rev matching important?

 

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no. you dont. But it wont affect clutch life. Your clutch really only gets "used up" from starting up in normal situations. Clutches also get "used up" on downshifting. Burn outs...and other jackass maneuvers will use your clutch a lot faster. Slipping your clutch on the track makes an endearing smell. It's an acquired taste lol. I love the smell of clutch and brakes now.


Also, someone asked what heel-toe was. It is downshifting, and braking at the same time. Lets say you start off braking at 70. You figure you'll end up somewhere around 50 when you're done working the pedals. So you brake, clutch, blip the throttle downshift to 2nd and let off the clutch all in one simultaneous motion. It's a roadracing trick. You brake into a corner using the engine and the brakes..and then you're allready in the (lower) gear you need to be as you start moving again.

 

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you dont wanna drag the clutch or shock the driveline into synchronizing speed with the wheels. Dragging the clutch wears the clutch. shocking the driveline breaks or weakens things.

If you're sitting in 5th gear at 2500 rpm and you downshift into 2nd, the engine may have to go 7000RPM to make the car go the same speed. You have to rev the engine up to 7k while you're putting the trans in 2nd. That way the speeds of everything synch up.

 

So I can shift from any gear into neutral WITHOUT USING MY CLUTCH? Hell I know nothing about cars! Thanks for all the info, you guys are great.

 

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you could do that, i wouldnt.

 

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you could do that, i wouldnt. </TD></TR></TABLE>

lol it's not the greatest idea. But if the gear is unloaded (the car is not "resting" on it), you can easily pull it into neutral without clutch. If there is resistance, just push the clutch in. lol..just make it simple and push the clutch in before you move the shifter around.

 

ok