It is a track car.

Not sure if you know this or not, but the S's rear loves to lift on high speed turns. Hence, the reasoning for the gihugic rear wing. Yes, it is butt ugly, but it serves a purpose.

 

I never argued its functionality...and i understand quite clearly that its a track car, the thing im trying to get across is that i could give a **** if its a space shuttle...the wing is rediculously big and probobly doesnt need to be, but it is...and its cool, i just personally think its silly and ugly as sin. I find it incredibly humorous that when something is functional in some aspect, regardless of how ugly it is or how bad it throws off the look of a car, that people will argue that its "cool" some how.

Come on folks...that wing aint cool, its silly...does it serve a purpose? For him sure...it probobly does. Does it need to be so big? I personally dont think so, otherwise id imagine some of the bigger companies would jock the design to win races...does any of this discussing really matter in the end? Not really...lol.

*Goes to get a pack of hot dogs*

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hypnosisracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never argued its functionality...and i understand quite clearly that its a track car, the thing im trying to get across is that i could give a **** if its a space shuttle...the wing is rediculously big and probobly doesnt need to be, but it is...and its cool, i just personally think its silly and ugly as sin. I find it incredibly humorous that when something is functional in some aspect, regardless of how ugly it is or how bad it throws off the look of a car, that people will argue that its "cool" some how.

Come on folks...that wing aint cool, its silly...does it serve a purpose? For him sure...it probobly does. Does it need to be so big? I personally dont think so, otherwise id imagine some of the bigger companies would jock the design to win races...does any of this discussing really matter in the end? Not really...lol.

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I'm not arguing that it's cool. The car in itself is cool, being that it is mostly just a track car. Which I find that cool, not some show car that a guy takes to the track once in a while.

I'm not sure if the wing needs to be that big, but I do know a lot of the hardcore track guys did some testing with various sized wings, and the ones that big were actually the best. Don't know how, but that's what their findings were. There are more than just that car running a wing that large.

Would there be any chance in hell of me putting that on my car? No. But, it does work. I'll stick to the OEM rear spoiler, that should push down enough for me. hahah. I personally don't like any spoiler on the S, other than the AP1 rear spoiler.

 

Oh, and I'm pissed. His RM racing lip is still intact. I destroyed mine and they don't make it anymore.

 

Don't think it's just functional for him. From what I remember, the car was for his wife....she tracks it as well. It's functional for her as well.

Going fast and looking good (or in this case, acceptable) don't go hand in hand. Otherwise, everyone would think the Porsche 914 is a handsome car and not some bastardized, step-child of a Porsche.

The 914 looks a thing of beauty to me, but then again, that's because I've seen really fast ones on Road America.

 

Style is a part of the game in the motorsports world...as i said, if all we were concerned about was speed...all the cars in every race would look the same, would have hardly any cosmetic appeal and just be made to do whatever style of racing its in optimally...kinda like nascar, but not even 100% there either because of the varying body designs.

Anyways...we can nit pick the words i put all day...i was just saying, that car is ugly as ****, and that wing is laughable...whether its funny or not, its still just like WTF? And not just because its on an S2000, if i saw that on ANY car, id say the same thing...look at team's like Oreca and the like, VERY high horsepower cars with the same rear raising character that the S2000 has...they put some big wings on the Vipers, but NOTHING like that...you look at Lemans cars and stuff and their flat, flush, i mean yeah, that wing probobly DID improve the S2000's performance around the track...but does it really need to be that big and is there simply no other solution to get the same yield out of a spoiler that doesnt look like a the wing off a sesna or something? I just dont buy it, then again, im not road racing expert so im just speaking opinion...i have no fact to back it up or anything...

 

when you dorks step back and realize that function then form on the track is all that matters. function? a very very functional wing. no crappy nonfunctional body kits that others sink their dollars into. only the basics - RM splitter - which works very well! penske double adjustables with remote reservoirs and the tires... for that year, it was sumitomo HTR's since he was in touring 3 for OTC.

 

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Yes it does. I had one, but busted it in half. I was sad to see it go.

 

out of my way!! or iam gonna eat ur ***..lol grr~~

 

i would have a RM splitter if they still made it. anyone know why they don't?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hypnosisracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Style is a part of the game in the motorsports world...as i said, if all we were concerned about was speed...all the cars in every race would look the same, would have hardly any cosmetic appeal and just be made to do whatever style of racing its in optimally...kinda like nascar, but not even 100% there either because of the varying body designs.

Anyways...we can nit pick the words i put all day...i was just saying, that car is ugly as ****, and that wing is laughable...whether its funny or not, its still just like WTF? And not just because its on an S2000, if i saw that on ANY car, id say the same thing...look at team's like Oreca and the like, VERY high horsepower cars with the same rear raising character that the S2000 has...they put some big wings on the Vipers, but NOTHING like that...you look at Lemans cars and stuff and their flat, flush, i mean yeah, that wing probobly DID improve the S2000's performance around the track...but does it really need to be that big and is there simply no other solution to get the same yield out of a spoiler that doesnt look like a the wing off a sesna or something? I just dont buy it, then again, im not road racing expert so im just speaking opinion...i have no fact to back it up or anything...</TD></TR></TABLE>

First of all, Style isn't part of the game when it comes to going fast. secondly, pretty much all NASCAR cars are the same, they have a general template, and there is very little difference between a ford/chevy/dodge anymore. thirdly, it obviously needs to be that big, if it was TO big, it'd slow the car down and have negative effects. fourthly, you're right, you have no fact to back up anything you've said, so shut up and stop posting in this thread, everytime you post you look more and more ignorant, just because you own an s2k doesn't mean ****.

 

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I'm pretty sure it was just from a lack of sales.

Supposedly someone on S2ki bought the mold. If we can find that thread, let's get them made. You and I can order like 5 each.

 

1 to put and 4 for when i break em

 

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Exactly. It won't break if you don't drive through the middle of I-95. ahhahahaah.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. Bagel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> It is adjustable by a switch in the center console and was designed to be very similar to the Chapparel wing. However, it is only 18" and not 24" deep, IIRC.

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Wasn't the Chapparel wing directly linked to the rear suspension arms? I'm looking forward to checking out the Montery Historics Races this year; Chapparel is the featured marque.

I'm no expert in aero as well, but I remember reading on some technical website that wings operate much better when they are positioned in the "clear stream air", which I take it means mounting it high above the body. But like I said,...I'm no expert.

There are certain corners at a couple tracks that I wish I had a wing that big just to try going through them flat; but maybe R compound tires would do the trick as well? I dunno. Anyways, I like the wing and the teeth. Anyone ever been to the auto museum in Indy Speedway?.....those teeth look familiar.

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Awww c'mon, don't ruin the fun. This thread won't be as "enjoyable".

 

that's too furious right there.

 

*sigh*

lol...i guess my opinion that it looks silly is more ignorant than the opinions that it doesnt look silly because its functional. Its ok, i wont get dragged into a bickering match with someone that cant think of anything better to do than try to demean another person because they dont agree with what they say. I never questioned this things functionality, please understand that...i still think it looks absurd, and i still feel that he could probobly get the same result with a smaller, less "bi-plane"esque spoiler as so many other companies have with their S2000 race cars...but do i know this for sure? Nope...never claimed to, and still dont. Its just what i think, and ive yet to read anything that proves otherwise, so i still think that.

Feel free to keep going with the **** talking though, its really quite funny...dont take things so seriously though, just a suggestion, cause im honestly just wasting time at work, i really could care less if he had 8 wings on the thing, as long as the one in my garage doesnt.


Modified by hypnosisracing at 10:29 AM 4/28/2005

 

**** talking???? You're the one talking all the **** on this guys car...if it works on the track, and it's a track car, then that's all that matters...

 

No...i didnt say a word about the guys car, i said that i thought the wing looked silly, an S2000 is an S2000, i love them all, i thought the teeth were kind of funny, but the wing was crazy, it was an opinion...i wasnt like "Oh what a piece of ****, god that guy must be an idiot, look at that wing!" I just said the wing looked like crap.

Either way...like you said, if it makes it faster on the track, i dont care, i was only commenting on the cosmetic aspect of that thing, whether that amounts to a load of beans to you or not, i dont care, just talking, nothing more, nothing less.

 

shhhh.....quiet.....

 

lol...that was cute.

 

even the guy who made the wing named it "Active Aero Big *** Ugly Wing"

 

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I'm no expert in aero as well, but I remember reading on some technical website that wings operate much better when they are positioned in the "clear stream air", which I take it means mounting it high above the body. But like I said,...I'm no expert.</TD></TR></TABLE>
James, I'm unsure on how the actual Chapparell is linked up and adjustable. This is just how Doug's or rather... Jason's is setup. It originally was designed by Jason and used on a variety of cars, including davepk's, cthree's and doug's car.

The way the wing is built is to have no drag at all and just streamlined when it is entirely flat, or rather, parallel to the ground. When it is in this position, both sides are doing the same pushing and pulling of the air, so that minimal turbulence is created. It actually seems to clean it up. But when you need to go around a corner, flip the switch, wing moves into action and you are set. It is well worth a few extra seconds on a track. And I do say... a few extra seconds. It is well proven to do that much at least in davepk's car - stripped, with slicks.

 

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hahaha

 

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The way the wing is built is to have no drag at all and just streamlined when it is entirely flat, or rather, parallel to the ground. When it is in this position, both sides are doing the same pushing and pulling of the air, so that minimal turbulence is created. It actually seems to clean it up. But when you need to go around a corner, flip the switch, wing moves into action and you are set. It is well worth a few extra seconds on a track. And I do say... a few extra seconds. It is well proven to do that much at least in davepk's car - stripped, with slicks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for sharing this info! I'm all for progression and sharing ideas and concepts; just pushes this whole "sport/hobby" forward I'm sure this idea (switching) has been done before, but it looks like davepk really put some thought into it and designed accordingly based on his own constraints and requirements. Someone putting a wing (or any mod) on just for looks is kinda pathetic to me personally (even more so when one just wants to show it off to others), but if that same wing gives that someone joy just by being possesed, then that's really all that matters, that's important. I'm all for the joy part, even if I don't agree with the physical thing or reason behind it's acquisition. I bet there's even a "real purpose" for those teeth he put on and we've touched upon that in this thread already. Do you know where I can see this car in action or runs? - Left Coast, East Coast? BTW, I don't even have an S; just like seeing what other people are doing to their Honda's, this particular Honda being an apple amongst mostly Honda oranges.

Anyways,....blah,blah,blah