Who cares? How many people here actually HAVE ITB's on their S. The closest I ever got to that was the Webers SDs with the stacks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. Projekt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who cares? How many people here actually HAVE ITB's on their S. The closest I ever got to that was the Webers SDs with the stacks. </TD></TR></TABLE>

why are you mad?

ITB was just an example

 

My bad I thought it was that "Which ITB is best" thread.

 

On another note, the intake with the velocity stack wouldn't really matter. By the time it hits the manifold and gets split 4 ways the air velocity would have changed anyways. Much more beneficial when you have 4 of them right at the intake port.

 

yes it split up into 4 ways but at least its getting good air from the opening source... its not A MUST mod but, if you wanna get some extra FART (lol) and dont mind doing it , why not... i wouldnt bother putting one myself in tube..

more pics



someone ask an explanation of the "velocity stack", "thrompet", "megaphone" so here you go

 

Yea that's a MEGAphone aite.

 

HOLY PICTURE BATMAN!!!! i didnt know thats that big .. ohh well lol

 

does anyone have pictures of this on their s2k?

 

I wouldn't run that without some sort of filter. I don't want to be buying a new block.

 

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trust me you wont suck anything into the motor unless the stack is on the ground.. i drove around for a long time, my father the same with side draft carbs NEVER FILTERED... and i have yet to see a motor fail due to sucking in an object

 

thats true, a lot of people dont run filters. i however will. and, even if i were to not run a filter, i would at least use some wire mesh screen to cover them. just to protect against leaves and stuff.

 

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dont bother with that.. might a well run a filter because the mesh screen will kill your power

 

I doubt mesh would 'kill' your power. Depending on how much air can pass thru it at a given time, but that relates to the kind of mesh. I'm sure he was talking about something not as tightly-knit as stockings though. Either way, run a filter, don't take chances. It can happen easily that debris would get sucked in. Especially with our intakes sitting where they do.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its called goodle try it out...

ive worked in avaition for 7years so i think i know a thing or 2 about how air flows......</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is "goodle" the new "google"?

 

so, any pics of one on a s2k w/ a stock box?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean Juan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I doubt mesh would 'kill' your power. Depending on how much air can pass thru it at a given time, but that relates to the kind of mesh. I'm sure he was talking about something not as tightly-knit as stockings though. Either way, run a filter, don't take chances. It can happen easily that debris would get sucked in. Especially with our intakes sitting where they do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

any mesh/chicken wire will "KILL" your power... you will cause turbulance and distroy your airflow.....

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Is "goodle" the new "google"? </TD></TR></TABLE>

yup... just like chicken!

 

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trust me you wont suck anything into the motor unless the stack is on the ground.. i drove around for a long time, my father the same with side draft carbs NEVER FILTERED... and i have yet to see a motor fail due to sucking in an object</TD></TR></TABLE>

oh trust me, you will suck in alot of crap.

you don't even need to be driving off road.

engine rebuilding class ftw

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any mesh/chicken wire will "KILL" your power... you will cause turbulance and distroy your airflow.....

yup... just like chicken!

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santo, you are right, back in the turbo day, i ran a mesh on the compressor and it will slow down my spool at higher RPM, i can achieve faster spool(and more power accordin to my left butt cheek) with a hks super-mega-ultra-uber-flow filter.



one thing for the smarty pant: you know how the rough casting on the inside of the intake manifold is suppose to reduce turbulence in the mani, i wonder why they are using smooth bore'd intake tube. or something i missed?

 

d00d think about it... with a inlet that is abotu 2-3 feet above the ground with say a 6" radius with maybe 1 opening which is directly under it and the car is moving forward? how exactly are you going to suck something in...

how many motors have a heard/seen that were damaged from "sucking something in"

NONE in all my years around cars.....

and having a mesh does kill A LOT of power......

you guys wanna build motors/cars with X amount of power yet want 200K out of the ****.... lets get real......

 

wondering if the pipe were to have a turn in it like an aem cold air with a stack in the frnt think it would perform better or the same

 

With mesh, it's NOT the turbulence; it's the pressure drop. I've done experiments with a variety of mesh types including Scotch brite pads. IIRC, even the Scotch brite pads had a lower pressure drop and a more even flow profile than chicken wire.
I will NEVER run a street motor without a good filter. There is way too much that gets stuck in my filters in a very small amount of time to justify that minor gain. Good filters are not that restrictive anyway. With a filter, you can also optionally put the intake in a higher pressure zone with cooler air- both good inlet conditions for a turbo.

Tim

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">d00d think about it... with a inlet that is abotu 2-3 feet above the ground with say a 6" radius with maybe 1 opening which is directly under it and the car is moving forward? how exactly are you going to suck something in...

how many motors have a heard/seen that were damaged from "sucking something in"

NONE in all my years around cars.....

and having a mesh does kill A LOT of power......

you guys wanna build motors/cars with X amount of power yet want 200K out of the ****.... lets get real......</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where does all that dirt come from when you clean your filter? You think about it, d00d. All that dirt will gum up everything, score your cylinder walls, eat your valve seats, whatever. The only real life experience I have to that is my friend's stock '01 SS that he ran without a filter, after 7K miles, the thing was burning oil and when they pulled the motor it was just dirt and crud and sand everywhere.

Street motors, use a filter.

 

^... yea sure if your running around in the boondocks inthe middle of MI...

yes there is **** in the air i never said there wasnt... your breathing it in remember?

all im saying is we are here for a better kick out of our motors... with that kick comes pros/cons.... pick and choose...
you dont build a car to last 100k+ miles unless your a auto company selling cars...

i ran my S with a stack for its entire life in my hands...30k+ miles with me and she was in better shape then half the cars here... still could get 315+ miles to the tank with all the "DIRT" in it!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^... yea sure if your running around in the boondocks inthe middle of MI...

yes there is **** in the air i never said there wasnt... your breathing it in remember?

all im saying is we are here for a better kick out of our motors... with that kick comes pros/cons.... pick and choose...
you dont build a car to last 100k+ miles unless your a auto company selling cars...

i ran my S with a stack for its entire life in my hands...30k+ miles with me and she was in better shape then half the cars here... still could get 315+ miles to the tank with all the "DIRT" in it! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Haha, nope, not the boondocks, definitely just the suburbs.

It is quite easy to build a high performance motor that will last over 100K miles if you know what you're doing. Hell, the shop I work at built a turbo B18 motor that is still running strong after 5-6 years in the new owner's hands. I bet that your S has very little life left in it after running 30K without a filter. Was it worth it for the extra couple horsepower? I'd say no. I bet anyone would say no.

I don't understand why anyone could recommend running a street motor no filter. You forgot to mention the cons to running a motor no filter and your post leads people to belive its not going to suck anything but clean air in. Engine bays get dirty, a lot of things can get sucked up into the engine bay. Unless you wanna plan you routes all the time to avoid dust and debris, then it just doesn't make sense.

For the S, its a lot better, in the long run to do one of many things. Superchage it, call it a day. Build and turbo it. Or, if you care about road racing, invest the money in suspension, tires, and seat time. These people wanting to suck every last little hp out of an already stellar NA motor are spending thousands for a couple HP. The only good things I have seen for building an NA motor are the Hytech cams/engines that actually have put out some great numbers compared to Toda and Skunk2. But, since the news has just hit the market, its gonna be a while until its accepted.

 

cone tell this guy who to use seafoam in other thread.. lol he wouldnt listen ... you learn that from school too. rofl

 

yeah just run bpi's VS300600
if you actually do need 2 more hp if that, take it off. I would run a apexi power flow universal 90mm or whatever fits that