When you install a crank pulley how do you know how to set the rest of the timing. Do you have to have pistons 1 and 4 at TDC before u install or will the way that little pin slides in assure the marks to all line up like stock ?

 

the key will only slide in if the gear is aligned correctly.

 

The crank pulley has nothing to do with timing...what are you talking about?

 

Ya seriously. I had the helm's manual and I still messed up the timing so that the car would not idle correctly. After the second attempt I finally have my car running after sitting for 6 months. Setting the timing without the manual is no easy task.

 

i mean the head and bottom end have to be in sync with each other. how do you know how to set that up correctly ? Ex cylinders 1 and 4 must be a TDC while the cam is at a certain point.

 

i am assuming you have an h22. The cam gears have an arrow on them, the arrow points up. The also have lines on the very front of the gears that should be level to the head itself they should also point to each other. That gets your cams set. The ballance shaft has a grove cut into it. There is an arrow on the block. They need to be lined up. To set the oil pump there is an 12 or 14mm bolt in the back of the block that you have to take out. Once it has been taken out slide a screwdriver into that hole. Turn your oilpump until the screwdriver slides into the hole into the shaft on the oil pump. That sets you oilpump. Cyl. #1 has to be at top dead center. There is a plug in the front of the block that you can pull out so you can see your flywheel. Pull out this plug and grab a flashlight (and a friend if you have one handy). Notice that on the right side of this openning that there is somewhat of a "V" cut. There is a mark on your flywheel that needs to be in the center of this "V". That is top dead center. Also there should be a mark on your crank gear and on the front of the block. Double check everything. If you mess your timing up, it is not cheap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kornerk12 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i mean the head and bottom end have to be in sync with each other. how do you know how to set that up correctly ? Ex cylinders 1 and 4 must be a TDC while the cam is at a certain point. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you not have a helms?

There are arrows on the crank and on the cam gears, the crank arrow will line up with the mark on the pulley at TDC. The cam gears have arrows straight up and lines at +90 and -90 degrees, at TDC both arrows should point straight up and the lines should be perfectly in line with one another and in line with the head, the edge of the timing cover is a good thing to line it up with.

Thats all you have to worry about with cam timing, the water pump can be whereever you want.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZXRider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ya seriously. I had the helm's manual and I still messed up the timing so that the car would not idle correctly. After the second attempt I finally have my car running after sitting for 6 months. Setting the timing without the manual is no easy task.</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you talking about ignition timing? Do you have a timing light?

 

No, I simply did not have the timing belt on correctly. My cam's were not perfectly aligned. Thankfully after I re-did the timing belt and did a compression test I found out that I did not damage anything. But the timing belt was off to a point that the car would not idle.

I did not have a timing light back then. Now I do, which reminds me I have never used it. Gotta hook that thing up and see if everything is ok.

 

how exactly does the timing light work ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kornerk12 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how exactly does the timing light work ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

its used to set spark timing, it cant be used to synch cams and crank

loosen the dist bolts and clip the light onto plug wire 1...shine it in the hole next to the engine stamping and rotate distributor till the mark lines up with the V described above...be sure the engine is warmed up and you also gotta jump the service connector under the dash

 

I thought you can't adjust the ignition timing on the H22...

am i wrong?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Do you not have a helms?

There are arrows on the crank and on the cam gears, the crank arrow will line up with the mark on the pulley at TDC. The cam gears have arrows straight up and lines at +90 and -90 degrees, at TDC both arrows should point straight up and the lines should be perfectly in line with one another and in line with the head, the edge of the timing cover is a good thing to line it up with.

Thats all you have to worry about with cam timing, the water pump can be whereever you want.</TD></TR></TABLE>

speaking of helms what happened to you sending me that section on the head matt.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZXRider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought you can't adjust the ignition timing on the H22...

am i wrong?</TD></TR></TABLE>

only obd1 is adjustable...the obd2 ecu adjusts its own timing

 

I bent the valves trying to do a timing belt on my h23 with a chiltons and it was disasterous...very bland manual it is...no explainations or anything...just had to wing it pretty much.

 

Helm's is the way to go.

 

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Dude if you did that you don't really need to be working on cars. The timing belt job is pretty self explanitory, there are marks on EVERYTHING.

 

There are like 6 V marks in my flywheel...I think someone fucked with it...I'm going to take it to a shop when I buy my new head...I'm done ******* with it

 

i am in the middle of replacing the head on my h22. you have to pull out the cams to get to the head bolts. when replacing the cams do they have to go in a certain way or do you just adjust all that while timing with the cam gears and what not after it is back together. my buddy says they have to sit a certain way first. idk. im going to pick up a helms cause this chiltons is ****.

 

I just did the same thing about 3 months ago. Just make sure you get the intake and exhaust cam placed in their correct spot.

Oh and apply lots of assembly lube to them. Set them on the head and continue assembling everything. Set your timing belt and when you do your timing belt they will sit correctly.

BTW you will need to adjust your vallves since you rebuild your head. After you set your timing belt make sure you check your valve clearance and adjust them as needed. Don't put the valve cover back one without doing this.

If you have anymore questions just PM or E-mail me and i'll help you with it.

Good luck.

 

thanks for the help. Ive been waiting on my headgasket and stalled on work. im not sure and havent had time to check, i have aem true time cam gears on this. Are there gonna be markings for tdc on that. i know theres markings on it to advance and retard the timing, is 0 tdc? Thanks for all the help.

 

anyone?