How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
02-18-2009, 07:27 AM
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Re: How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
You can extract plenty of power AND reliability using "freeware". Show me a failed engine strictly because of the tuning software (not the tune itself, we all know you can suck at tuning with any platform).
02-18-2009, 01:16 PM
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Re: How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
Read the whole topic. I support freeware and only use crome.
I was making a joke about how poor I am lol, and how rich other people are if they use hondata or similar expensive tuning systems
oh,..you never had to reload a map in crome? theres little bugs like that but nothing major that I've found. Burning to a chip is a bit touchy some times too I find using the Burn1
I was making a joke about how poor I am lol, and how rich other people are if they use hondata or similar expensive tuning systems
oh,..you never had to reload a map in crome? theres little bugs like that but nothing major that I've found. Burning to a chip is a bit touchy some times too I find using the Burn1
I've never had to reload a map in crome but then again I've hardly used it. It just does what I need it to do without issues and has a lot of nice plugins. My only issues with burning chips had to do with the Willem chip burner, but once I figured it out it hasn't been a problem since.
02-18-2009, 02:01 PM
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Re: How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
Yeah, I agree with the freeware guys.. People like PrecisionH23a make money off selling EMS systems, so obviously him and his buddies are going to say you need to buy an EMS. This keeps people from learning how to tune their cars, since you need the tuner license most of the time.
My car pulls like a mthrfckr, and I tuned it myself with crome freeware. Even anti-lag 2step works great when I want to shred my street tires
My car pulls like a mthrfckr, and I tuned it myself with crome freeware. Even anti-lag 2step works great when I want to shred my street tires
02-18-2009, 06:38 PM
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Re: How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
everything has its place. there is a reason companies like motec and other premier ems systems are still around and why people still use them: they have advanced features for advanced tuners needed on competition vehicles (like individual cylinder trims for example). do you need a full motec system if you're just trying to even out your afr on your street ride with i/h/e? obviously not. does that mean the system is worthless and the people selling it are just trying to make a buck? wrong again. likewise, freeware tuning has its place and can certainly be used to smooth out a tune and gain some hp for those on a budget and looking for a simple solution who don't want the bells and whistles.
as everyone here has already said and knows, it always comes down to how good the tune is, not the hardware it's done on. the more expensive stuff usually gives you ways to get a more refined tune, however. they also tend to be built in a way that is more efficient for a tuner to be able to get better results in less time.
as everyone here has already said and knows, it always comes down to how good the tune is, not the hardware it's done on. the more expensive stuff usually gives you ways to get a more refined tune, however. they also tend to be built in a way that is more efficient for a tuner to be able to get better results in less time.
02-18-2009, 09:27 PM
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Just curious how much is your profit margin on a Hondata unit? The local shop here (Trackmasters, that is a major tuner in this region) recommends and tunes on crome.
02-18-2009, 11:54 PM
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02-19-2009, 01:01 AM
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Re: How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
My tuning shop, (one of the only ones here) is telling me they will only tune with Hondata s300 because of it's reliability, I don't have much to choose from when it comes to tuning since there's not a lot of tuners here where I live. Thanks for the input.
02-19-2009, 08:06 AM
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Yeah, I agree with the freeware guys.. People like PrecisionH23a make money off selling EMS systems, so obviously him and his buddies are going to say you need to buy an EMS. This keeps people from learning how to tune their cars, since you need the tuner license most of the time.
My car pulls like a mthrfckr, and I tuned it myself with crome freeware. Even anti-lag 2step works great when I want to shred my street tires
My car pulls like a mthrfckr, and I tuned it myself with crome freeware. Even anti-lag 2step works great when I want to shred my street tires
I went to college for mechanical engineering and learned to tune on a MoTeC system on our FSAE set-up so my standards are higher than yours. Sorry. I'm also sorry that 99% of the cars that have freeware are budget-build pieces of junk that I see personally on a weekly basis. Freeware systems don't do what they are supposed to and all well established tuners will confirm that. Do your homework on ignition timing and the freeware systems when you get a chance. When I tune a car I'm getting paid to tune a car... not to troubleshoot through a bunch of bullshit. When you have tuned 300+ cars like I have you'll realize why I choose the higher scale of products that I do. As I stated prior... the more established tuners do not work with freeware systems. I'm glad the freeware works on your simple set-up... but when it comes to customers that drop $15k+ on builds they don't mind spending a few hundred bucks on a nice EMS that does what it's designed to do that also offers support.
03-01-2009, 07:25 AM
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Re: How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
I've used Crome, AEM EMS, and eCtune. Best is eCtune then AEM, and at the bottom is Crome.
Lots of stuff in Crome don't work properly. Support and improvements is practically at a standstill
AEM is good, but difficult to tune. It also burns out stock coils. Best to use it with a CDI box and external coil.
eCtune works really well, has good support, and very consistent. I was surprised how accurate it is.
Lots of stuff in Crome don't work properly. Support and improvements is practically at a standstill
AEM is good, but difficult to tune. It also burns out stock coils. Best to use it with a CDI box and external coil.
eCtune works really well, has good support, and very consistent. I was surprised how accurate it is.
03-03-2009, 09:54 AM
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so you would saying is that tuners like 98vtec and xencorn that do lots of tunes with etune are using garbage...i thought those guys are tuners?? i am not trying to egg on more but i mean i get alot of info from these guys so i am just wondering
03-03-2009, 10:09 AM
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Re: How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
Jd well put, and Jorsher did you ever find a good trans? I'm a hondata S300 owner, and by talking with some TOONERS I'm leaning towards eCtune in the future. But right now with so much dyno time already with the S300 it's not feasable for me to not to stick with it.
03-03-2009, 01:41 PM
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Re: How's the AEM EMS for tuning?
umm.. depends on whos tuning and what they are familiar working with. If its you tuning, I'd scrap both and go with crome. Its soo easy even a moron can do it (YESSS! even I can do it :D)
Both those systems are good if your going all out either N/A or forced inducting but a touch overkill on a bolt on car in my opinion. Where you headed with this car meanshyguy?
Just don't want you blowing a crap load of money if you don't need such a expensive tuning setup.
Both those systems are good if your going all out either N/A or forced inducting but a touch overkill on a bolt on car in my opinion. Where you headed with this car meanshyguy?
Just don't want you blowing a crap load of money if you don't need such a expensive tuning setup.
chrome, so easy a caveman can do it!
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