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Old 10-26-2008, 01:01 PM
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i have the base model herd it was lighter than the SH cause of ATTS ..
plus i wanna lower my whip cause they look sic lowered , i herd the SH dont like to be lowered cause the ATTS works better at stock hight
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OKAY!!! ENOUGH WITH THE MISGUIDED QUESTIONS!!!! LOL CAN'T THINK STRAIGHT!!! HERE'S my direct knowledge so far coupled with my problem:

TYPE SH is a different block completely from the H22A4
H22A4 is a designation from THE USDM there for that is why you get an A4 on the block.
JDM is just H22A
H22A4 (USDM) is OPEN DECK ALL THE MOTHER LIVE LONG DAY
JDM H22A IS CLOSED DECK 10/10 times... count on it

as for TYPE SH...
IF YOU OWN A Type SH in AMERICA it will most likely be h22a4 type sh motor coupled to sh trans.
If you own a USDM h22a4 NON SH base model... you get a h22a4 with a base trans... cut and dry.

as for ATTS.. add about 50 hp and a lightened flywheel and clutch, add a suspension and go auto X-ing
to drag race... type sh is pointless to do anything with so just sell it or swap whole motor/trans (dont forget to get the lsd in your swap)

my problem:
sh motor blew.
ordered "new sh" sent jdm h22a... need base model trans...
what do i need to convert my sh chassis to base?

does it need any of the following:

half shaft
drive axles for base model
base model manual ecu
base model wiring harness?

or is it too much bother and sell?

my main motor problem is a valve dropped and nuked the motor...
some light scoring on the cylinder walls. head is gone.
should i re-sleeve and get a new head?
bore out and get oversized pistons? and get a new head and go on my way?
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:23 AM
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Anyone?
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:16 PM
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where is the ATTS light? im purchasing a 99 SH and its slammed so i was wondering where the light would be to check
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Old 01-28-2009, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by falcon548
where is the ATTS light? im purchasing a 99 SH and its slammed so i was wondering where the light would be to check
top right corner of the cluster, next to speedo, above fuel gauge
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alright well i test drove it at night and i didnt see any extra lights on but ill be sure to check next time its running...not in my driveway yet... also its got a full skunk 2 susp and an exhaust. does that mean the previous owner went through a lot of bullshit to modify it? it seems like a pain in the *** even to get a tranny, already dropped 5g out of 6 (plus tax) so theres really no turining back but this thread brings second thoughts...***** clean though ..will base tail lights fit? lol
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Originally Posted by falcon548
alright well i test drove it at night and i didnt see any extra lights on but ill be sure to check next time its running...not in my driveway yet... also its got a full skunk 2 susp and an exhaust. does that mean the previous owner went through a lot of bullshit to modify it? it seems like a pain in the *** even to get a tranny, already dropped 5g out of 6 (plus tax) so theres really no turining back but this thread brings second thoughts...***** clean though ..will base tail lights fit? lol


I'm sure the base tail light's will fit.
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Hey Guys i drive a Honda Prelude JDM Spec Type S.

May i know what type of shocks suit this car?

I am not changing the spring just want new shock?

Can u give me advice on aftermarket shocks that fit this car? Best if it is adjustable shocks.

Thanks very much cause i am confuse online sellers that put certain shock suitable for base model but not type S.... why is this so?

Really need a new set of shocks pls help me.

I really like the KONI yellow shocks but will it fit my car front and back?
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Originally Posted by RAB
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by naujcdl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">97 were 5 lug rims, 98 and up are 4 lug rims, correct me if i am wrong on the later years past 99.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Correction noted: ALL 5th generation Preludes are 5 lugs. SH wheels are different.
i have a 98 with 5 lugs
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Okay guys get ready for a noob question! would i be able to put sh cams in my base model lude with out tuning or changing anything in the valve train? please help! H22a4
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Default Re: 5th Gens - Base vs. SH

Originally Posted by Murkin_lude
would i be able to put sh cams in my base model lude with out tuning or changing anything in the valve train? please help! H22a4
Yes, because they're the exact same cam. Type S cams are different, but you can't (well, shouldn't) just drop those in.
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Default Re: 5th Gens - Base vs. SH

Excellent info! Thanks.Type-S H cams (helms spec) slightly more lift.
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AKA, it would make NO measurable difference in power.
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It has been reported that the Helm's info is wrong; the specs listed for the SH cams are actually the specs for the Type-S cams. The SH and base cams are the same. The difference in power between Type-S cams and USDM cams is noticeable, but you have to swap more than just the cams to do it reliably (including getting the valve guides clearanced).
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by naujcdl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">97 were 5 lug rims, 98 and up are 4 lug rims, correct me if i am wrong on the later years past 99.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Originally Posted by FruunkBB6H22A4
i have a 98 with 5 lugs

NONE USA prelude have 4 lug 5G preludes too. (the lower model one's)
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Originally Posted by gstrudler
It has been reported that the Helm's info is wrong; the specs listed for the SH cams are actually the specs for the Type-S cams. The SH and base cams are the same. The difference in power between Type-S cams and USDM cams is noticeable, but you have to swap more than just the cams to do it reliably (including getting the valve guides clearanced).
Alright well thanks.
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I like Base. I haven't driven an SH but I hear that they are harder to drive under slicker condition like snow or rain. I think SH has different interior options too
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So just to clarify, if I have an SH and want to put in another h22a4 i have to make sure it is an SH block? I looked on hmotorsonline.com and it does not clarify. Are SH blocks harder to come by? Thank you.
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If you are looking for a straight drop-in, then yes, you either need an SH or Type-S block to drop in to mate up to your transmission.
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Originally Posted by gstrudler
If you are looking for a straight drop-in, then yes, you either need an SH or Type-S block to drop in to mate up to your transmission.
Good to know! Is the Type S block/motor popular with the SH crowd? The 220hp seems like a worthwhile upgrade.
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Ok Guys, hate to bring this thread back to light. but after hours of searching between all the forums and the interweb, I have yet to find any information regarding parts replacement for my Prelude. Recently just acquired a 2001 CDM Prelude SE 5spd ABS. And yes it i did say "SE". i have found the difference between this and the Base and SH is that, this model does not have ATTS, but has the 200hp H22A4 (blacktop) motor. Also has HEATED Leather Seats along with HEATED Side mirrors. The Speedo is in Kilometers and has CF Trim along the door panels and CF trim around the HVAC and Radio. Now, the question is which parts do i get when i order or look for replacement parts for steering and suspension? i only seem to get the Base or SH options when i look for parts. ive even searched ebay.ca and still get the same thing, which is odd. Any input from you guys would be really helpful. Specifically, the car was hit on the right side between the wheel and and beginning of the passenger door.
luckily no frame or shock tower damage. Parts needed is Upper and lower control arms, Steering Knuckle, etc. Like i said. Any insight on this issue will help me get the car up and running again. Thank you.
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Base model. The only difference between yours and its USDM counterpart is the heated seats and mirrors, unless the faux CF trim was an option up there, but likely somebody swapped it in. All '97-01 Preludes came with the h22a4.
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Oh Man~! THANK GOD its a BASE model! SH parts are sooo expensive! anyways, it was an option(CF Trim) up in Canada, but its only partial. the Console, Door handles, and Center console. Will be posting pics after i get the car mobile again. It has original miles and actually has been well taken care of since purchase. So i consider myself really lucky to get one, and be part of this great forum. Pic of speedo below...
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Originally Posted by crexmonsterb18


H22A4 (USDM) is OPEN DECK ALL THE MOTHER LIVE LONG DAY
JDM H22A IS CLOSED DECK 10/10 times... count on it

as for TYPE SH...
IF YOU OWN A Type SH in AMERICA it will most likely be h22a4 type sh motor coupled to sh trans.
If you own a USDM h22a4 NON SH base model... you get a h22a4 with a base trans... cut and dry.
Ok so your about 90% right, not all h22a jdm blocks are closed deck though. ONLY the OBD1 92-96 blocks are, ALL H series from 97+ JDM EDM or USDM all came open deck, the base obd2 JDM still came 10.6:1 though.

The h22A4 10:1 was the only engine offered in the states period. The only difference is they relocated the oil filter location to fit the atts unit on the SH.

Type-SH, Euro-R, Type-S all share the same block. You can only swap trannies between them, and you can also install atts on any of them. Except the euro-r and type-s are 11.0:1.
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My apologies for bumping this old thread* but I am trying to look if the internals from the Type SH vs the base are the same?
I bought the SH by mistake but do not want to do the bracket so I was thinking of putting all the internal fro Sh to a base block.

*If I make a new thread about this topic people are going to complain that I didn't search.

I have been searching all over the internet but nothing concrete. My last resort will be to buy H22a1 and sell the H22a4.

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