89CivicHatch

what are the goods side to this motor and the bad side are they like the newer gsr! which one would you choose b18c1 or b17a1! please let me know i know there rare but i'm gonna get this motor for cheap so just wondering? will i beat the b16's with this motor? o ya it only has 60,xxx miles on it, they took really good care of it


Modified by 89CivicHatch at 2:51 AM 8/16/2004

HatchMo

yes it will beat b16s and why not buy it if ur getting it cheap and its well maintained with 60k

HondaKPX

yeah ive heard its a good motor

Malgerus

Not sure if it would beat a well running B16A. It has ony a little more torque. I'd say they're pretty much the same.

carracr625

Any time you can get a motor with a verifiable history...It's worth it to me! One thing for sure, it'll be easier than a b18c1 due to the obd conversion.

B18A1-ED6

i would personally go with the B18C1 if i had a choice and they where the ssame price. but a B17 would probably loose to a B16 any day of the week just for the simple fact that the B16 has 10.4+ compression compaared to the B17's 9.7:1 compression. I would but a b16 over a b17 and then put the b17 crank in the b16. but if u know the history yon the b17 and you are getting it for a good price, have at it. it has alot of potential. Carracr625 just for personally referrence b17 are OBD-1 and B18C1 came OBD-1 too :thumbsup:

kaoss_11

the b17 is not that big of a difference from the b16 but if you can, get the c1

Rywire

c1 would be a step up from the b17

kaoss_11

By a long shot.

vtecn8ive

I'll take the tranny if you don't want it!!!

Fobtions

the good thing about it is the tranny and the obd1 electronics. not to mention easier to have smogged if your in cali.

its basically a b16a with a lil more torque.

but a b18c is a whole different beast.

4potnick

and it makes the same horsepower/more torque with about a point less compression. All things equal it will out preform a b16 any day of the week.

CA6VTEC

<FONT COLOR="royalblue"> Go with B17a1. The Best tranny and it's good platform. Back in 92-93 a stock GS-R ran 15.2- 15.4 out of the Box. </FONT>

mar778c

iTrader: (1)

For a EF, either motor is a good choice. I would get b17 beacuse it has a cable tranny which is less of a headache than b18c hydro tranny, unless you have the hasport conversion kit.

Either way, you can bet a b16 with good driving.

CA6VTEC

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For a EF, either motor is a good choice. I would get b17 beacuse it has a cable tranny which is less of a headache than b18c hydro tranny, unless you have the hasport conversion kit.

Either way, you can bet a b16 with good driving.



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<FONT COLOR="royalblue"> You can beat most B16's w/ bad driving. </FONT>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4potnick &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and it makes the same horsepower/more torque with about a point less compression. All things equal it will out preform a b16 any day of the week.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Mefain

if the b17 is a full swap go for it, i just swapped a b17 in my CRX cause i knew the history on it and got it for $500 save the loot and stay cable, but spend a lil extra and convert to obd-1

d16X

i would get the b17 expecialy if you are getting a good deal on it the b18c1 is a pretty expensive motor swap 2 do

Bee17hatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kaoss_11 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the b17 is not that big of a difference from the b16 but if you can, get the c1</TD></TR></TABLE> i would take either one of them specially if its low miles. two for a b17 man!!!!

89CivicHatch

i'm getting the full swap for 800 dollars because i just put a nos kit down for it but i'm getting everything. ya im gonna do a obd-1 coversion but how come people told me it's a obd0, and there is no point. to the guys who have this motor in there hatchs what do you guys do in a quater mile. This girl who had it never ran it hard it was just sitting there untill she decided to sell cuz she got a better car. also i heard if i put the newer gsr cams gears it will make a difference? is that true? if you were me what would u do to this motor performance wise? any suggestions?

blah13

I dont get where all you people get that the b17 will romp on a b16, a couple more lb torque but consider tranny as well. A b16 with its corresponding tranny plus an extra 1000rpms will hold its own against a b17 with its corresponding tranny. Now put a b16 tranny on that b17 and youll have a nice deal. And c1 &gt; b16 or b17.

89CivicHatch

can this motor break 12's? i look up and couln't find anything on this motor!

Malgerus

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89CivicHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">can this motor break 12's? i look up and couln't find anything on this motor!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sure. With nitrous, that is. It's about the same as a B16 - so probably low 14's to high 14's territory with an average EF and driver.

lunchboxEF91

go for the build with a b17

CA6VTEC

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blah13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont get where all you people get that the b17 will romp on a b16, a couple more lb torque but consider tranny as well. A b16 with its corresponding tranny plus an extra 1000rpms will hold its own against a b17 with its corresponding tranny. Now put a b16 tranny on that b17 and youll have a nice deal. And c1 &gt; b16 or b17.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<FONT COLOR="royalblue"> Dude.. The B17 YS1 has the shortest gears of all B series trannies. So why would you use a B16 tranny instead of a B17? </FONT>

fourthgenhatchB17

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blah13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont get where all you people get that the b17 will romp on a b16, a couple more lb torque but consider tranny as well. A b16 with its corresponding tranny plus an extra 1000rpms will hold its own against a b17 with its corresponding tranny. Now put a b16 tranny on that b17 and youll have a nice deal. And c1 &gt; b16 or b17.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ever ran them both side by side in the same exact cars (89 EF's)? I have. I won. Pulled on him nicely both from a slight roll and a nice freeway run. Believe it or not (and i know u wont), i was rockin a LS trans too...he had the S1.