m0rbid

Hey I'm trying to decide if I should buy a civic or not. I am wondering how much money will it take to get the car into low 13's or high 12's.

The reason I am making a thread to ask is because I have a really good deal on a 93 coupe right now and I need a quick answer from you guys. I'm thinking do a b18c1 swap and build it a little to get it into high 13's and then puta medium sized turbo on it.

I'm just wondering how much this will cost me so I can decide if I have the right kind of money to be doing this. I just dont want to buy the car and be stuck with it and not be able to do anything with it, you know? How much will this all cost me if I do the swap myself and then have a shop turbo the car and tune it.

Thanks a lot for any help and sorry if this has been posted before, I looked a little and couldnt really find anything that answered my questions.

oreozzz

Go for the gold.

jdmrwd

yup your on the right track a gsr swap with a decent sized turbo will get u in the mid 13s EASILY!

EE_Chris

You have the following info: Car price
You need the following info: Swap price (just parts) and Turbo kit, install, and tune

#1. Are you getting the swap from someone on this board?

#2. Are you getting the swap from a warehouse, like Import Auto Salvage?

If yes to either 1 or 2, send out an e-mail or call them and ask them how much the swap is.

#3. Turbo kits are sold as that...a kit. Full-Race, GReddy are two examples of kits and if you want a price, ask whoever you're buying it from.

#4. Install & Tuning the turbo kit consists of finding someone in your area and paying them to install and/or tune it. And yet again, it's them who will charge you for their services rendered - so make some phone calls.

And don't forget to add a little extra money on that pile for when stuff breaks. As you said "I just dont want to buy the car and be stuck with it and not be able to do anything with it, you know?"

So honestly, if you can't do a little more research (and math) than what you done and you want to know if you have the right kind of money - then no, you don't.

Syndacate

Hey, I love my honda, don't get me worng, but if ur going for low times, cheap, I wouldn't go with a honda, they're cheap as hell stock, when you start upgrading, it costs a fortune over other cars (all 4 bangers do) - best bet would be to go with a bigger engine for starters in the car..I've learned that you can make them faster, easier, than a 4 banger..

m0rbid

I know I will call the people that will install my stuff to get a total for myself, but im just wondering how much it costs on average. Like, if your car runs 13's how much did you spend to get there? I'm looking for replys like "ya i got a gsr swap and turbo kit and it all costed me $8k" or somthing liek that so I can just have like a ballpark figure of what it might cost me before I start calling people. That way I will know before hand what to expect so I know 1.) i have the right income for my project and 2.) i don't get ripped off.

jdmrwd

some guy from my city built his own turbo set up.. i think cost him only 1500 canadian dollars! and he runs low 13s on a integra with gsr swap

Essenar83

Check my thread in my signature.

My total costs so far-
1993 Coupe clean title EX $1700
GSR swap missing some parts $1900
Various parts $500
Chipping ECU $70-100
Exhaust $300

I am pending sale of my stock motor for $275
So total cost of a 93 EX clean title with a full GSR swap is roughly 4300-4400

With that set up I'll run 14.3ish

All I'll need to run 13's is rims/tires for roughly $500, so for under 5 grand I'm gonna be running 13's, but there's always other thigns to consider-

My car's an ugly *** purple color. My car's on stock suspension/brakes. My car has nothing good interior wise.

So if you want technicalities aside, I'll have a complete, daily driven 13 second car with all the amneties for under 7500, but that's much further down the road and that's WITHOUT turbo.

If I were to go turbo, (which I wouldn't cuz turbo is a pain in the *** to maintain) I could easily hit low 12's daily driven for under 8 grand.

m0rbid

Here is my position. I'm 16 and I help my dad sell cars. I make anywere from $100 - $1500 on each car we sell. We sell anywere from 0 to like 3 or 4 cars a month. I'de say on average I can get like $800 a month. Somtimes i can get $0 but then on the other hand i could end up with like 3k in one month if i'm lucky.

I'm not rich, but since i still live with momy and dady 90% of my money will go into my car. So, should i go for it?

I was thinking about buying a civic with a b18c1 already in it, but then i thought there is no way to tell how many miles are on the engine, is there? So the guy could have a 180k mile engine and say " yeaa there is 35k on this engine." So i think it's best i do the swap myself.

m0rbid

Thanks, Essenar83. Those are the kind of replies im looking for.

Essenar83

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I'm not rich, but since i still live with momy and dady 90% of my money will go into my car. So, should i go for it?

I was thinking about buying a civic with a b18c1 already in it, but then i thought there is no way to tell how many miles are on the engine, is there? So the guy could have a 180k mile engine and say " yeaa there is 35k on this engine." So i think it's best i do the swap myself.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You'll have the exact same problem with buying a swap bro. I've heard horror stories about hmotorsonline and jhp or password-jdm where people get motors with sludge in them because they weren't properly drained and sat in the warehouse for months.

Getting a car WITH a swap at least guarantees you see the swap in the car and feel it running and can do a compression/leak down on it. You can also get a hella good deal on a swapped car with a clean title because people never charge what they pay.

For example, you could get a swapped EH2 or EG with a GSR motor for 4 grand or less, but try buying the car and swap separately and paying that much, it's damn near impossible, + you get labor AND mods included!

It's a gamble but if you study your **** you won't go wrong.

Honestly if what you WANT is a fast car for cheap then stick with Honda, because you'll get a 13/12 second daily driven car that'll get 20 miles to the gallon in the city which is NOT possible in any other type of modded car.

Just do pricing. If you're not a good mechanic or you don't know how to do a swap, buy a swapped car. On the other hand it is a good learning experience. I've thoroughly enjoyed my swap and it's my first heavy mechanic experience.

m0rbid

If I do the swap myself I will buy the engine from a local shop so I can see it before I buy. Also with a startup warenty etc. The place is in north va its called noyan, anybody heard of it?

axtran

err if you have a hatch and a GSR (my friend's CX stock with stock GSR hit 13's off the bat) and then i'm sure little tweaks could get you to 12 land. as far is straight 12's, u can use like a D16Y7 and turbo - 12's off the bat.

m0rbid

Yea im going to do it, even if my car doesnt end up fast, i love working on cars and learning about them.

But I have a question, if somebody has a swapped car, is there any way at all i can tell how many miles are on the engine? im looking at a reaaaaaally nice 93 coupe with a b16a2, car has 160k and he says the engine has 40k so yea im just wondering is there anyway i can verify the milage.

orientalgunz_00

average costs:

gsr motor complete $3000 (a lot of times not including labor to install)
turbo $1000 (homemade) to $4000+(Full race)
tuning $500+ (dyno runs)
maintainance $? (depends on motor)

it's gonna cost some money if you want things done the right way...sure you could ghetto rig it, but that will only last as long as the time it took you to ghetto rig it...keep in mind, these are just estimates...prices could be lower or higher depending on where, how and who you get your parts/labor from...

SovXietday

Honestly... $3000 you can own a boosted Dseries that runs 13s easily.

Shell - $500
D16 w/ tranny - $500
250whp turbo build ~$1500-2000
Chipped ECU and tune - $200+

Strip and sell interior - +250-500

13s easy, all for a little bit more than a Bseries swap.

m0rbid

No the reason I want a GSR swap is because I'm not going to stop at a low 13 second car. I was just wondering how much it would take to get there because thats when the car, in my opinion, starts being fun to drive. I am going to keep upgrading after I hit that mark.

srokkhmer

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/878010

EE_Chris

So are you looking for this to be your daily driver too? Or just a project race car?

Fast. Cheap. Reliable.

Pick two because you can't have all three.

jdmrwd

if this is going to be your car for years to come then definitely fast and reliable

m0rbid

Yea I know i definately want my car to be reliable. I will be driving it almost daily, and I don't want to deal wit broken ****.

cybergreencivic

iTrader: (8)

if you dont want to deal with broken parts, and realiability, id consider and H22 or K in an EG, because once you turbo it, that takes away from being reliable, and breaking down. Not to say i didnt love my built B16 i had boosted, but it was by no means reliable to me.

m0rbid

A turbo set up should be fine with a good tune... right? I'm not going to be pushing it with the psi im only going to use what I know the engine can handle.

jtchinoy

I say ask around the turbo forums or look around them about reliability for certain levels of tuning. My friend's 11 second 2.0 liter GSR with a t25 ( i think it's a t25) turbo boosted 17lbs seems to be doing fine. Aside from driving to school, he uses it as his daily. If you have it tuned right and get all the right/ good parts the first time and you don't abuse the hell out of it like you could a stock - mildly built D series motor, it should live a long time.

K swap in my opinion if you have the $$$, but GSR is next best if you don't.

Stock internals boosted, pray you have good internals, because the slightest problem that you won't even know about = kaboom. If you're planning to boost I'd suggest reinforce/ upgrade your internals to be safe.

m0rbid

does anyone have a guide or writeup for the best things to do to build your engine for boost? what do i need before i get the turbo, lower compression pistons? sleeved block? etc etc