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Old 04-07-2015, 05:20 PM
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I had my master cylinder and brake booster replaced. My front brakes locked up after. I have new pads,rotors,calipers and hoses. So I started working my way up to see where the brake fluid was stopped at and it wasn't coming out of the master cylinders hole closest to the brake booster. I had it warrantied out and the same thing is happening.

MC was bench bled, and vehicle was bled after the job was done. Why is this happening?
Its a 93 del sol

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Did you measure the pilot hole depth of the MC and adjust the pushrod, allowing enough clearance?
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I'm not to sure what that is but i was told it didn't need to be adjusted.

If it helps, i have to push the brake pedal all the way down just for the brakes to even engage and it wont stop the car.

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Can you adjust the push rod while the master cylinder and booster are on the car?
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There is an SST that goes between the the M/C and the booster to adjust them.
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There is an SST that goes between the the M/C and the booster to adjust them.
Sorry, im not sure what SST is..

And is adjusting pedal free play the same as adjusting the push rod. I'm referencing the link below.

PART 7 - Adjusting the Master Cylinder pushrod
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Rebleed in the proper wheel order.
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Iv'e bled and bled and bled. It never reaches the front calipers.

My free pedal play is at about 15mm. Should be 1-5mm. Will that cause it?
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Iv'e bled and bled and bled. It never reaches the front calipers.
Fluid never bleeds out of the front calipers?

Assume the MC was bad out of the box and return it. Also make sure the correct MC was installed.
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I ment through the front bleeder screw. If fluid never hits that wheel, does that cause it to lock up?

My bleed sequence is rear right, front left, rear left, front right.
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I ment through the front bleeder screw.
So is the answer yes to my question?

If fluid never hits that wheel, does that cause it to lock up?
A clogged brake line can cause the brakes to lock up.
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Oh yes, i thought you were correcting me or something..

Either there is a ton of air in the system or something else is wrong. Once i saw it wasn't bleeding in the front, I un bolted the hose and tried to bleed it from there and worked my way to the prop valve, no fluid was reaching there. I then un did the hard line on the MC and no fluid was coming so i bled it on the car(i did bench bleed it) and finally fluid came out.
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Oh yes, i thought you were correcting me or something..

Either there is a ton of air in the system or something else is wrong. Once i saw it wasn't bleeding in the front, I un bolted the hose and tried to bleed it from there and worked my way to the prop valve, no fluid was reaching there. I then un did the hard line on the MC and no fluid was coming so i bled it on the car(i did bench bleed it) and finally fluid came out.
So currently fluid flows freely from all bleeder bolts, front and rear?
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Yes. Then I drove it and they locked up. I stopped and the MC wasn't pushing fluid again. So is there just a lot of air in the system or what. I just warantied the MC 2 days ago.
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Then I drove it and they locked up. I stopped and the MC wasn't pushing fluid again.
This^ is obviously the problem. Figure out whether the fluid obstruction is in the brake line or the calipers.
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Sounds like the issue that guys run into with an ABS booster and a non-ABS master cylinder, or...it sounds like the the boosted pushrod isn't fully releasing the piston in the M/C which is a setup issue. Honda makes an SST, or Specialty Service Tool, that gets installed between the M/C and the Booster to help dial in the pushrod.

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^^Thats what I was going to say
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Default Re: Master Cylinder Question

Originally Posted by Cobb2819
Sounds like the issue that guys run into with an ABS booster and a non-ABS master cylinder, or...it sounds like the the boosted pushrod isn't fully releasing the piston in the M/C which is a setup issue. Honda makes an SST, or Specialty Service Tool, that gets installed between the M/C and the Booster to help dial in the pushrod.
Yep, I've run into this before.
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Alright I got the brakes to stop locking up. I flushed the brakes and they no longer lock. But i notice they do drag now. Where do i go from here?
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