JOS-EM1

Well im kind of in a bind right now...
I am shoping around for a new motor for my car and i have come upon two choices.

Option 1:$2000
B16a2 Block
Pr32 Sir2 Head
S80 Itr LSD Tranny

Pro's: ITR LSD!chirping 1st,2nd,3rd gear :D B16 vtec, Sir high compression head, good power :D
Con's: Bad Piston rings, eats up the oil. Has at least 80,000 mi on it. No ECU and vtec wire installation.
(basically im on my own to add the vtec wires and ecu, Electrical mumbojumbo...)

Option 2:$1800
B18b Block
Gsr Head
GSR Tranny
Semi-Built

Pro's:
LS-V Power!
All electrical and ecu components taken care of :D
Guaranteed By mechanic to start and work
0mi on the block
New seals and gaskets
Semi built
only $1800

Con's:
How reliable can ls-vtec be?
Can i trust this mechanic
i need the car as a daily driver, is that possible with lsv?
Have heard that lsv needs extensive maintenance costs...
wats the probability i will have trouble down the road?


What road do you guys think i should take?
all commentary is appreciated
thanks JOS-EM1

JOS-EM1

What is the expected HP on these engines?

LSV: HP??
B16: HP??

Kidnkorner

um, why is your thread titled CTR?

What is the LSVTEC tuned on?

phyzicxz

I think he broke it down as civic engine type r tranny.. therefore he got civic type r lol

JOS-EM1

CTR in quotes because the motor hads CTR internals, pistons, cams, Intake... and the itr tranny
As far as the tuning of the lsv i have no knolege of how there tuning it.
Can you elaborate on what you mean on tuning?
ECU?

phyzicxz

LS-V is only as reliable as if it is built properly, so unless if you were to build it yourself cutting no corners i say stay away from it, otherwise boom!

Deetz

I don't get this....your calling that a CTR????? It's not!

Let's see, different cams, different block, different rods, different pistons, different crank, different intake manifold, different throttle body....hmm, i see a pattern here

btw, a ctr is a B16B...different engine buddy

JOS-EM1

yes i know the ctr is a b16B
thats why i put ctr in quotes...
but thats not the point, im just trying to find out which engine to take

ED9man

wow that "ctr" motor must be the last engine in the world, here's an idea find a type r engine that isnt ****ed and buy a tranny seperate

JOS-EM1

Forgot to mention this, My Budget is only $2300...
so basically i don't have room for much luxuries

Kidnkorner

The ECU controls the fuel and ignition maps responsible for safe operation of the engine. There is no stock computer that can run a LSVTEC properly.

When you put a LSVTEC together you are lowering the compression from a B16 or B18C and increasing the displacement, therefore the dynamics have changed radically.

A lot of people use a stock ECU or a "chipped" ECU with generic base map and this might run it but the AFR's aren't dead on. Extended use will deteriorate the engine, either by running rich washing ring lands and diluting engine oil or running lean causing cylinders to warp and/or the pistons to expand scoring the cylinders.

JOS-EM1

So Investing in a hondata ecu wouldnt be a bad idea!?

93egSLEEPER

not exactly. a properly tuned ECU on say crome pro or neptune for motors like this would work just fine. you need to have your AFR worked with to ensure a safe mix plus to maximize your power.

jdp1978

for 2300 i would go d series turbo!!!!!! and have money left over .btw I have a gsr wish I would have built the d and turbo and really be fast.

93egSLEEPER

or he could turbo a stock gsr and blow most build d's outta the water

DCRB

i'd go with the ls/v, then get the ecu tuned. with the other you'd have to have it rebuilt, which could run you another grand alone depending on what needs to be done to it. it never hurts to ask what all was done to the ls/v when it was being built, you know ask as many questions as possible.

Kidnkorner

For me Hondata S300 or nothing.

thumper64

If the LSV was built right (research the proper way...) then it could be fine. Just keep in mind that block was never designed to rev up to 8k like a GSR was. It totally depends how it was "built". Do you mean it has GSR water and oil pump, aftermarket rods and pistons, etc? Or what?

Also Kidnkorner, saying that building a LSV lowers compression is incorrect. The VTEC heads have smaller combustion chamber volumes. A LSV with a GSR head is slightly higher than a GSR.

thumper64

Hondata would be great, but there's a guy running 10s in a GSR turbo Civic hatch here who's tuned on Crome. If it's good enough for that, it's good enough for a basic LSV.

-__-

the LSVTEC. also i heard that LSVTEC motors Timing will NEVER BE PERFECT unless u get adjustable cam gears. if built correct, they are just as reliable as any other motor. make sure theguy used the right parts or the motor will die lol. if the botom end gives out, LS motors are cheap and plentiful