Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol?
05-10-2007, 10:53 AM
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Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol?
I have the extra cash sitting around to do a swap and I was looking at doing a h22a swap. Has anyone done this swap and is there a better motor to swap in than the h22a? I'm new to honda modding, but I work for a subaru performance shop and I'm not new to doing conversions.
05-10-2007, 11:30 AM
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Re: Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol? (anjion)
It's been done. Do a search for "H2b"
That way you can mate a b-series to the H and have superior gearing and a better transmission IMO.
There are kits made for the Del sol and it makes an H swap more like a B swap.
Less fabriaction/headaches.
That way you can mate a b-series to the H and have superior gearing and a better transmission IMO.
There are kits made for the Del sol and it makes an H swap more like a B swap.
Less fabriaction/headaches.
05-10-2007, 11:31 AM
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It's the same as swapping it into a 92-95 civic. There are tons of post about it in the Hybrid section.
Honestly, I just put an f23a1 in my sol, and plan on putting an h22 tranny in within a few weeks. It already scoots like crazy as is. Being able to pass on the freeway without having to downshift is a huge difference from a stock D series.
As for teh swap itself, if you want to keep PS, it requires some trimming of the radiator support above the headlight. Without that, there was no room for the return line off the pump. You also have to get creative with the high pressure line on the PS setup. You may also have to cut one rib off the PS belt so it isn't pressed firm against the frame rail. It's slightly tighter than on a civic.
Aside from that, sneak the shifter cables through the firewall between the heater core and SRS computer. The driver's side of the SRS computer is lower than the passenger side, so you can easily get it through there without removing anything (other than while you're cutting the hole). Just be carefull while drilling, as the main harness for the car runs through there. I've gone through mine once before (done a few of these swaps) and it's a pain to have to pull the dash to go in and repair wires.
Honestly, I just put an f23a1 in my sol, and plan on putting an h22 tranny in within a few weeks. It already scoots like crazy as is. Being able to pass on the freeway without having to downshift is a huge difference from a stock D series.
As for teh swap itself, if you want to keep PS, it requires some trimming of the radiator support above the headlight. Without that, there was no room for the return line off the pump. You also have to get creative with the high pressure line on the PS setup. You may also have to cut one rib off the PS belt so it isn't pressed firm against the frame rail. It's slightly tighter than on a civic.
Aside from that, sneak the shifter cables through the firewall between the heater core and SRS computer. The driver's side of the SRS computer is lower than the passenger side, so you can easily get it through there without removing anything (other than while you're cutting the hole). Just be carefull while drilling, as the main harness for the car runs through there. I've gone through mine once before (done a few of these swaps) and it's a pain to have to pull the dash to go in and repair wires.
05-10-2007, 11:33 AM
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Re: Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol? (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's been done. Do a search for "H2b"
That way you can mate a b-series to the H and have superior gearing and a better transmission IMO.
There are kits made for the Del sol and it makes an H swap more like a B swap.
Less fabriaction/headaches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not a fan of the H2b unless it's a drag car. What's the point? The swap is pretty straight forward, and people throw away h23 and f22 trannies.
That way you can mate a b-series to the H and have superior gearing and a better transmission IMO.
There are kits made for the Del sol and it makes an H swap more like a B swap.
Less fabriaction/headaches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not a fan of the H2b unless it's a drag car. What's the point? The swap is pretty straight forward, and people throw away h23 and f22 trannies.
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Re: Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol? (Bakeoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bakeoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's the point? </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That way you can mate a b-series to the H and have superior gearing and a better transmission IMO.
There are kits made for the Del sol and it makes an H swap more like a B swap.
Less fabriaction/headaches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I put in bold what you missed.
It also makes gear selection for tracking a little easier too. I've driven an h2b and a regular h22. Two totally different cars. A lot of the guys with h2b's right after the swap run sub 13's.
not so easy with weak *** axles and a shitty cable engaged tranny. (I.E. the h tranny)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That way you can mate a b-series to the H and have superior gearing and a better transmission IMO.
There are kits made for the Del sol and it makes an H swap more like a B swap.
Less fabriaction/headaches.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I put in bold what you missed.
It also makes gear selection for tracking a little easier too. I've driven an h2b and a regular h22. Two totally different cars. A lot of the guys with h2b's right after the swap run sub 13's.
not so easy with weak *** axles and a shitty cable engaged tranny. (I.E. the h tranny)
05-13-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol? (dannis.)
Awesome info thanks alot! I'm starting to get into a better understanding of hondas now and I have been researching motor swaps for del sol's. You see I come from the subaru world and everything is F-ing spendy there. Its wonderfull how much more reasonable hondas are. So for the price of a stage three or four turbo package I'm gonna get myself a b16a and do some head work and call it good.
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05-13-2007, 05:57 PM
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Re: Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol? (anjion)
Eh, I must be b16 bashing club member # 20011.
Unless you're going to boost it then it's not much n/a.
In a del sol or a crx I could see the fun.
Unless you're going to boost it then it's not much n/a.
In a del sol or a crx I could see the fun.
05-16-2007, 11:56 AM
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Re: Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol? (ek forever guy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I put in bold what you missed.
It also makes gear selection for tracking a little easier too. I've driven an h2b and a regular h22. Two totally different cars. A lot of the guys with h2b's right after the swap run sub 13's.
not so easy with weak *** axles and a shitty cable engaged tranny. (I.E. the h tranny)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry man, but I didn't miss it. No, I'm not blind.
I just disagree with it. Get over yourself.
I put in bold what you missed.
It also makes gear selection for tracking a little easier too. I've driven an h2b and a regular h22. Two totally different cars. A lot of the guys with h2b's right after the swap run sub 13's.
not so easy with weak *** axles and a shitty cable engaged tranny. (I.E. the h tranny)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry man, but I didn't miss it. No, I'm not blind.
I just disagree with it. Get over yourself.
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Re: Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol? (Bakeoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bakeoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sorry man, but I didn't miss it. No, I'm not blind.
I just disagree with it. Get over yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm with you on this one. H2b is the new trendy thing to hit honda's and everybody will have one...
Sorry man, but I didn't miss it. No, I'm not blind.
I just disagree with it. Get over yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm with you on this one. H2b is the new trendy thing to hit honda's and everybody will have one...
05-16-2007, 01:06 PM
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Re: Has anyone done a h22a swap into a 95 del sol? (Slurp56)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slurp56 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm with you on this one. H2b is the new trendy thing to hit honda's and everybody will have one...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yep. I'm hoping I can afford it before the prices of the longblocks go up.
Might take out a student loan
Yep. I'm hoping I can afford it before the prices of the longblocks go up.
Might take out a student loan
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Re: F23A1 in a Sol? (Bakeoff)
Hey Bakeoff! I'm kinda interested in the idea of putting an F23 in my Sol.. Could you maybe email me or something, cuz it's not a swap I've heard a lot about. Did you have any difficulties, anything particularly awkward, etc etc.. I'm really liking the idea of an F23 rather than the usual B16 or B18.. Cheers!
05-29-2007, 04:20 AM
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Re: F23A1 in a Sol? (LokiSol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by anjion »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Has anyone done this swap </TD></TR></TABLE>No, never... Be a pioneer! Let us know how everything works out, then do a write up for everyone else... :cough::07::cough:
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Re: F23A1 in a Sol? (Preferio)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LokiSol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm really liking the idea of an F23 rather than the usual B16 or B18.. Cheers!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why do you want to put a SOHC 140hp motor in your car?
The f you're looking for is the F20b.
And that's the only F-series you want to use. Unless you want to stay SOHC and use the F-tranny.
Modified by ek forever guy at 8:30 AM 5/29/2007
Why do you want to put a SOHC 140hp motor in your car?
The f you're looking for is the F20b.
And that's the only F-series you want to use. Unless you want to stay SOHC and use the F-tranny.
Modified by ek forever guy at 8:30 AM 5/29/2007
05-29-2007, 07:02 AM
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Re: F23A1 in a Sol? (ek forever guy)
Seriously, you are retarded.
The f23a1 has 152 hp/ 150 tq. They're cheap as hell, and it's not a tough swap at all. Other than mounts, it's all parts that can be had at a junkyard for a lot less than any LS swap, and will have more hp and torque.
There are tons of these motors with less than 60K on them for under $350. Tell me where you'll find any other Honda motor with that low of mileage on it for that price.
The block is also stout as hell. Boost it. Throw 10psi at it on a junkyard setup and it will STILL be cheaper than throwing in a B series, F20, or H22 and can easily hit 250-300 whp without thinking twice.
You spout a lot of **** information on this board, man.
The f23a1 has 152 hp/ 150 tq. They're cheap as hell, and it's not a tough swap at all. Other than mounts, it's all parts that can be had at a junkyard for a lot less than any LS swap, and will have more hp and torque.
There are tons of these motors with less than 60K on them for under $350. Tell me where you'll find any other Honda motor with that low of mileage on it for that price.
The block is also stout as hell. Boost it. Throw 10psi at it on a junkyard setup and it will STILL be cheaper than throwing in a B series, F20, or H22 and can easily hit 250-300 whp without thinking twice.
You spout a lot of **** information on this board, man.
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Re: F23A1 in a Sol? (Bakeoff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bakeoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
There are tons of these motors with less than 60K on them for under $350.
Tell me where you'll find any other Honda motor with that low of mileage on it for that price.
</TD></TR></TABLE> I'm glad you didn't bring up any other factors than price and mileage, because I got you!!! Mwahahahaha!!! D15's!!!
There are tons of these motors with less than 60K on them for under $350.
Tell me where you'll find any other Honda motor with that low of mileage on it for that price.
</TD></TR></TABLE> I'm glad you didn't bring up any other factors than price and mileage, because I got you!!! Mwahahahaha!!! D15's!!!
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Re: F23A1 in a Sol? (ek forever guy)
C'mon EK, we both not it's not about BHP figures, right? I mean, remember that old Gem, there's no replacement for Displacement..? Same applies here.. The D & B Series are both 1600cc motors, and the ft/lb torque figures aren't impressive.. I think the F23 pulls something like 150lb torque and granted, it's only a 140BHP, but the engine is a hell of a lot more responsive to bolts ons than a D series for example..
Another thing for me, I really like the idea of putting a Tiptronix 'box in a Sol, and that's just never gonna happen with a B series, so it's H22 or F series.. I think the H22 may be a little large to fit an Auto / Tiptronic tranny, and they're also mightily expensive.. An F could be the ideal solution - Lets wait and see..
Another thing for me, I really like the idea of putting a Tiptronix 'box in a Sol, and that's just never gonna happen with a B series, so it's H22 or F series.. I think the H22 may be a little large to fit an Auto / Tiptronic tranny, and they're also mightily expensive.. An F could be the ideal solution - Lets wait and see..
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Re: F23A1 in a Sol? (LokiSol)
my bad, i didn't know how many people were using SOHC accord motors.
And from what i've been reading, it's as hard to do as an H swap as far as engine mounts and fitment goes. Plus it doesn't have a very big aftermarket support.
Though some of the fastest hondas are F swaps.
Modified by ek forever guy at 8:43 AM 5/29/2007
And from what i've been reading, it's as hard to do as an H swap as far as engine mounts and fitment goes. Plus it doesn't have a very big aftermarket support.
Though some of the fastest hondas are F swaps.
Modified by ek forever guy at 8:43 AM 5/29/2007
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