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Old 09-03-2011, 09:27 AM
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Default GSR in an EG - low idle and running Rich.

We pulled my b16 cause it wasnt making compression and put in a gsr motor. It idles like poo if at all. I have the throttle cable pulled a little open so it will idle. It will idle steady at 1500, but not lower.
Checked and cleaned IACV, New plugs. Old plugs were black.
I have a p28 Chipped disabling the O2 sensor.
Im lost.
No CEL.
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Is it chipped for the GSR or the B16?
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Ive tried 2 ecus one for my b16, one off my buddies gsr powered ek. No changes
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Update as of this morning. Disconnected map sensor. Idles smooth now, but obviously CEL came on.
Does this mean I have a vaccuum leak?
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Could be a faulty map, try and use a known working map. Running no 02 sensor with a diff map in ecu can make the gsr run rich. Stock intake manifold?
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

timing dead on? try advancing if its not.
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Originally Posted by ej1b18c1
Could be a faulty map, try and use a known working map. Running no 02 sensor with a diff map in ecu can make the gsr run rich. Stock intake manifold?
Everyone I know with a honda isnt home cause the damn weekend. errr. But im going to borrow another as soon as I get a chance.
All the map part numbers are the same right?



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timing dead on? try advancing if its not.
Im going to rent a gun in a bit. I know the timing was dead on when i got it back, but im going to try to advance it a little to see what happens
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Hseries, B series & D series are all the same from my own personal experience.
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

you got a vaccum leak, my car was going through that a few weeks ago.
our throttle body might be leaking, i just slapped on a spare one i had and it ran fine idling at 700.
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Use another b-series map and check for all vaccum leaks/tb/im gaskets
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

you sure the tps and map arent switched
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Originally Posted by DontTouchMyEj1
you got a vaccum leak, my car was going through that a few weeks ago.
our throttle body might be leaking, i just slapped on a spare one i had and it ran fine idling at 700.
I cant find a leak anywhere.
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Use another b-series map and check for all vaccum leaks/tb/im gaskets
Why b series? Autozone has all the part numbers the same.??
I can find a leak worth a **** though.


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you sure the tps and map arent switched
I thought the same thing, but i looked up the wiring, and its the right colors.


Thanks for your input guys. Im hopung to get a few maps later. I cleaned mine out and nothing
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Ok so i got 2 more map sensors. No change. I noticed the PCV system isnt connected. I cant even see where the line should go on the manifold.
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

A vacuum leak would cause a high not low idle.

Is the idle speed low only when the engine is hot?

Does the IACV work?

Have you tried adjusting the idle speed?

Regarding running rich, the engine will naturally run rich if the O2 sensor is disabled.

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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Originally Posted by ay_billy
Ok so i got 2 more map sensors. No change. I noticed the PCV system isnt connected. I cant even see where the line should go on the manifold.
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Originally Posted by DontTouchMyEj1
you got a vaccum leak, my car was going through that a few weeks ago.
our throttle body might be leaking, i just slapped on a spare one i had and it ran fine idling at 700.
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Use another b-series map and check for all vaccum leaks/tb/im gaskets
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A vacuum leak would cause a high not low idle.

Is the idle speed low only when the engine is hot?

Does the IACV work?

Have you tried adjusting the idle speed?

Regarding running rich, the engine will naturally run rich if the O2 sensor is disabled.
My car does it cold or hot.
IACV works. Cleaning and swapping it for another one made no difference.
If i adjust idle by the screw all the way up, it will stay running at like 400 rpm.

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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Originally Posted by delsolo95
Thanks a million.
I cannot for the world push the new one in.
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Default Re: GSR in an EG - low idle and running Rich.

you take off the intake manifold? might be a tad bit easier
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Default Re: GSR in an EG - low idle and running Rich.

Originally Posted by ej1b18c1
you take off the intake manifold? might be a tad bit easier
Thats sounds like a lot of work. lol
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Default Re: GSR in an EG - low idle and running Rich.

Got it on. No difference. :\
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

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IACV works. Cleaning and swapping it for another one made no difference.
This^ doesn't tell you whether or not the IACV works. If you unplug the IACV, what effect does it have on the idle speed?

If i adjust idle by the screw all the way up, it will stay running at like 400 rpm.
You need to follow the service manual procedure for adjusting the idle speed.
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

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This^ doesn't tell you whether or not the IACV works. If you unplug the IACV, what effect does it have on the idle speed?



You need to follow the service manual procedure for adjusting the idle speed.
i was under the assumption that iacv would make my idle crack high or erratic if bad, not low? Am I wrong?
And i tried to unplug the iacv and set the idle but it wouldnt stay on, so? Should i try it with the map disconnected too? Cause it will idle without the map connected.
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i was under the assumption that iacv would make my idle crack high or erratic if bad, not low? Am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong.

And i tried to unplug the iacv and set the idle but it wouldnt stay on, so?
Are you saying the idle speed dropped lower when the IACV was unplugged? Find the service manual procedure for adjusting the idle speed of your specific engine.

Should i try it with the map disconnected too? Cause it will idle without the map connected.
No, that will not help.

Have you measured the resistance of the ECT sensor when the engine is hot?

Have you tested the output voltages of the TPS?
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Default Re: GSR in an EG running Rich.

Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
Yes, you are wrong.



Are you saying the idle speed dropped lower when the IACV was unplugged? Find the service manual procedure for adjusting the idle speed of your specific engine.



No, that will not help.

Have you measured the resistance of the ECT sensor when the engine is hot?

Have you tested the output voltages of the TPS?
No it just wouldnt idle at all connected or not. It does not stay on at all unless i have the map disconnected.

No I have not checked the TPS or ECT yet. The TPS was next in line after i remember to find my HB multimeter.
Ill search for the way to check the ECT
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Default Re: GSR in an EG - low idle and running Rich.

With the MAP sensor plugged in, can you keep the engine running by pressing down the throttle pedal?

Are you sure all the sensor connectors are matched with the correct sensors?


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