>(fuel reg)Is it neccessary to adjust more fuel if i add bigger intake manifold??
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>(fuel reg)Is it neccessary to adjust more fuel if i add bigger intake manifold??
BTW. happy new year everyone,
i got a question my side ride is a D15z1 engine and i got CAI,hedders, cherry bomb, im going to install a D16 Vtec intake manifold this weekend.
The intake manifold,-throttle-body-fuel injectors, rail etc. is hella bigger than the D15z1 one will it make a lot of difference if i adjust to add more fuel than just running it.
I got a adjustable fuel reg. and how do i know how much to adjust it to??
Which way is easier to know what fuel psi to adjust to
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I got this from the B&M adj. FPR instructions
Most factory computers will
compensate for minor airflow
modifications (low restriction intake
and exhaust) at part throttle operations
but have no way to adjust at WOT
(Wide Open Throttle). The results are
a lean mixture right where you need
more fuel! One way to correct this is
to adjust fuel flow via fuel pressure.
Most people don’t understand that by
increasing fuel pressure (on a fuel
injection system), fuel flow increases.
The formula for calculating flow
increase based on fuel pressure is:
F1 = Injector Flow (cc/min)
P1 = Current Fuel Pressure (psi)
F2 = New Injector Flow (cc/min)
P2 = New Fuel Pressure (psi)
P2=P1x (F2/F1)2
example:
We added a high flow exhaust that
increases airflow 5%. What pressure
should the system be set to?
F1 = 270 cc/min
F2 = 284 cc/min (270 + 5%)
P1 = 43 psi
P2 = 43 psi x (284/270)2
or
P2 = 48 psi
or whats the easiest other way to formula-ly do this i got this from B&M instructions?? will adjusting make difference?
Thanks
i got a question my side ride is a D15z1 engine and i got CAI,hedders, cherry bomb, im going to install a D16 Vtec intake manifold this weekend.
The intake manifold,-throttle-body-fuel injectors, rail etc. is hella bigger than the D15z1 one will it make a lot of difference if i adjust to add more fuel than just running it.
I got a adjustable fuel reg. and how do i know how much to adjust it to??
Which way is easier to know what fuel psi to adjust to
__________________________________________________ ________________________________________________
I got this from the B&M adj. FPR instructions
Most factory computers will
compensate for minor airflow
modifications (low restriction intake
and exhaust) at part throttle operations
but have no way to adjust at WOT
(Wide Open Throttle). The results are
a lean mixture right where you need
more fuel! One way to correct this is
to adjust fuel flow via fuel pressure.
Most people don’t understand that by
increasing fuel pressure (on a fuel
injection system), fuel flow increases.
The formula for calculating flow
increase based on fuel pressure is:
F1 = Injector Flow (cc/min)
P1 = Current Fuel Pressure (psi)
F2 = New Injector Flow (cc/min)
P2 = New Fuel Pressure (psi)
P2=P1x (F2/F1)2
example:
We added a high flow exhaust that
increases airflow 5%. What pressure
should the system be set to?
F1 = 270 cc/min
F2 = 284 cc/min (270 + 5%)
P1 = 43 psi
P2 = 43 psi x (284/270)2
or
P2 = 48 psi
or whats the easiest other way to formula-ly do this i got this from B&M instructions?? will adjusting make difference?
Thanks
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Re: >(fuel reg)Is it neccessary to adjust more fuel if i add bigger intake manifold??
i just want to see if what i can do with some of my other spare parts around, i know that its useless but im trying to see what i can do with it, it's my side ride
will adjusting my FPR to add more fuel will do anything???
I still want to adjust it but don't know what to set it at???
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Re: >(fuel reg)Is it neccessary to adjust more fuel if i add bigger intake manifold??
FPR is uneccesary. The car's OBD would adjust to any type of air/fuel change related to D16 manifold.
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If you want to start playing with stuff like that, chip the ECU and run Crome. Get a wide band O2 sensor and start datalogging. That's the cheapest way of tuning and actually being accurate. Get an Ostrich and a laptop, or a chip burner. When you get bored, you can use it with another car.
The parts to chip the ECU are fairly cheap, I think it was under $5 for everything to chip the board, not including shipping. It's the emulator that's like $170 and the wide band that's expensive, but you can find the wide band sensor for like $50 on eBay and get the gauge from another seller and make the whole deal a little cheaper.
I think it's kind of pointless trying to make more power on a Z1 because of how it's built, but it could be educational, so good luck.
The parts to chip the ECU are fairly cheap, I think it was under $5 for everything to chip the board, not including shipping. It's the emulator that's like $170 and the wide band that's expensive, but you can find the wide band sensor for like $50 on eBay and get the gauge from another seller and make the whole deal a little cheaper.
I think it's kind of pointless trying to make more power on a Z1 because of how it's built, but it could be educational, so good luck.
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Re: >(fuel reg)Is it neccessary to adjust more fuel if i add bigger intake manifold??
If you want to start playing with stuff like that, chip the ECU and run Crome. Get a wide band O2 sensor and start datalogging. That's the cheapest way of tuning and actually being accurate. Get an Ostrich and a laptop, or a chip burner. When you get bored, you can use it with another car.
The parts to chip the ECU are fairly cheap, I think it was under $5 for everything to chip the board, not including shipping. It's the emulator that's like $170 and the wide band that's expensive, but you can find the wide band sensor for like $50 on eBay and get the gauge from another seller and make the whole deal a little cheaper.
I think it's kind of pointless trying to make more power on a Z1 because of how it's built, but it could be educational, so good luck.
The parts to chip the ECU are fairly cheap, I think it was under $5 for everything to chip the board, not including shipping. It's the emulator that's like $170 and the wide band that's expensive, but you can find the wide band sensor for like $50 on eBay and get the gauge from another seller and make the whole deal a little cheaper.
I think it's kind of pointless trying to make more power on a Z1 because of how it's built, but it could be educational, so good luck.
do they use their own wideband and chip burning hardware?
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Re: >(fuel reg)Is it neccessary to adjust more fuel if i add bigger intake manifold??
so its okay then no need to adjust the FPR, from 1.5L intake manifold to 1.6L manifold
so if i adjust the FPR to add more psi the computer will still compensate for the more added fuel? will it work best doing so if i chip the ecu, is it possible to run a 1.6L vtec computer and slap it on the D15z1 harness, also i heard that the D15z1 comes with the Wideband o2 sensor with five wires or so is it true.
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Re: >(fuel reg)Is it neccessary to adjust more fuel if i add bigger intake manifold??
so its okay then no need to adjust the FPR, from 1.5L intake manifold to 1.6L manifold
so if i adjust the FPR to add more psi the computer will still compensate for the more added fuel? will it work best doing so if i chip the ecu, is it possible to run a 1.6L vtec computer and slap it on the D15z1 harness, also i heard that the D15z1 comes with the Wideband o2 sensor with five wires or so is it true.
so if i adjust the FPR to add more psi the computer will still compensate for the more added fuel? will it work best doing so if i chip the ecu, is it possible to run a 1.6L vtec computer and slap it on the D15z1 harness, also i heard that the D15z1 comes with the Wideband o2 sensor with five wires or so is it true.
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