chromedome

first of all i want to so say hello to all of you guys on this board.... i'm new to this board . right now i drive a 93 teg, under construction again , when finished with the teg i plan to buy a 92-95 hatch . i will drop in a jdm b18c or a usdm b18c1. i plan to go all motor with this car and get into the 12's and still be reliable for street driving. . will this be a good set up to run? i expect to run high 14's with swap, and tweak it to the 12's. any info on best bolt on parts,cams,fuel mgmt,tuning will be helpfull..

sorry about the long post.


steve golea
xXx integra

hybridreams

Welcome - waaaay too much info to tell you, try doing a search, I'm sure you'll find plenty of info.

Golea...lol...ever seen The Wedding Singer?

ahcjar103

ram jet 305.

jk

there's lots of choices out there.

just a suggestion...if you dont want to get bitched at (cuz 1, there's some **** people on here, and 2) other people bitch too just to be cool), utilize the search function.

B19CivicHB

Well, assuming you are a decent driver and that the JDM GSR engine has an LSD equipped tranny, you should net mid 14's in a cx. Ive always gone for JDM engines simply so they have LSD equipped trannies. If you plan on getting a Kaaz or some aftermarket LSD later on along with higher CR pistons, stick with a USDM engine. Just my $.02.

-Nick-

chromedome

why the b16???? i know it's cheaper to get, but i thought the gsr has more potential...

chromedome

does the jdm b18c tranny come equipped with a lsd as standard issue?
i have looked in to getting a quaife sometime after the swap...

steve
xXx integra

DarkSubRosa

I would go with a B16A

chromedome

which version of b16????????? jdm or usdm bi6a,b16a2,b16a3, or b16b...

B19CivicHB

get the b18c.... no it doesnt come standard with LSD, it was an option i believe. B18C all the way.

chromedome

that is what my original plan is 92-95 hatch with b18c,, but i keep hearing to get the b16.... i like the gsr more and has more stock torque also.. only problem is it costs a lot more

steve
xXx integra

Jonathan_ED3

man for sure go b18c...don't even consider a b16 for a 5th gen or 6th gen.....i have an EF and i'm just going straight b18c5. i'm not going to swap just so i can run high 14's (you would probably be low 15's in a 5g with a b16a2)....but 14's easily with a c1.

chromedome

do you know of any good places to get the jdm b18c from????

steve

Thrashin

huh? what top racers? and all of them? just get a b18c, has way more torque and more hp, drops right in and with the right driver and car (cx-vx) you should be able to do low 14s or maybe even a high 13 if you are lucky. a b16 will only get you some 15s or maybe a high 14, again maybe. just remember a b16 is only going to put your car at japanese factory specs for an sir so its not going to be a race car or anything. im not saying a b16 is a bad motor i know alot of people who have them and love them but if you have the money for a b18c i would sugest getting that instead.

Yellow Dragon

Build a B20 VTEC.

BW90accord

hey chromedome talk to my friend RedRacingHart and he will give you some info on the b18c5 he is also putting one of those in his 93 hatchback so he knows some well known places to get prices from

Pat McGroin

man if youre poor like me , go with the b16a2, realize youre also going to have to pay for installation or anything that might come down the road. so be ready to spend a good chunk of money.

chromedome

i'm poor right now , but you know the old saying "good things come to those who wait".. i'll be saving up for the swap and will install in my garage......

steve
xXx integra

D16Z6racing

The price difierence in my area between B16A2 and a B18C1 is about $500. I don't know about elsewhere but I'd save for the GSR anyways. 1.6 to 1.8.....more torque.....more horsepower. Just my opinion.

chromedome

that's my plan

steve
xXx integra

sushibug

jun or spoon motor :D

chromedome

mucho money for that

i'll save 4 b18c

steve
xXx integra

infamousALLMTR

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B18C5-EH2

Taken from 2 other threads about the same thing (stole it from myself)

Okay, so since i've had the "big 3" which are thew normal VTEC swaps for the 1992-1995 Civic, I'll give you my rundown.
I had a 1992 Civic Si hatch, and my fiancee' has one as well. Cars are identical in terms of mods and features - same intake, exhaust, no A/C, same wheels/tires, IDENTICAL. AEM CAI, Tanabe Racing medallion, DC header on her car, same on mine minus the Dc header.

Only difference is which motor is in each car.

She has a 1999 B16A2 in hers - from a 1999 Civic Si coupe.

First I had a 1995 B18C1 from a 1995 Integra GS-R. That motor had i/h/e, but not a cold air AEM - just short ram.

Running the cars side by side on the street and dropping, the B18C1 would pull on the B16A2 every time. From a dead stop the B18C1 would pull a good car length maybe even 1.5 cars on the B16A2 by the time we were topping 3rd gear.

While I'll say the B16A2 pulls great, it did not pull as good as the B18C1. The B18C1 had much more midrange power, and the low-end killed the B16A2 as well. Daily driving in the B18C1 was easier because you didn't HAVE to rev it to 8000rpm just to hit a strong powerband to pass a car - B16A2 you did.

Dyno results?

The B16A2 baselined at 143whp, 102ft/lbs. torque.

The B18C1 pulled 150whp (kind of low for B18C1 ) and 123ft/lbs. of torque.

If you don't think the 21 more ft/lbs. of torque made a big difference, then I'm here to say that it does.

At the track my B18C1 ran a 14.6 on ****-*** 16'' Falken Ziex tires on heavy-*** 16'' wheels. I'm thinking 14.5 or 14.4 would have been it's best had I had better tires and lighter wheels.

Never ran her car yet, but it fells like a good 14.8-14.9 car.

Keep in mind that these are full interior Si hatches, both weighing in at 2289lbs. or so with swaps.

So, I sold the B18C1 GS-R swap and got a 1998 B18C5 swap from a 1998 Integra Type R, USDM.

The difference between the B18C5 and the B18C1 and B16A2 is night and day.

While the B18C1 still had the best mid and lowend power, the B18C5 surges forward at 6300 or so and pulls HARD. How hard?

175whp and 122ft/lbs. of torque. this was just AEM CAI for 99 Si, Tanabe Racing Medallion Exhaust and re-chipped "kenji-spec" P28 ECU.

It was good for a 13.9@100.97mph in full interior 2289.lbs Si hatchback. This was my first time at the strip with that set-up too, so I could have done better I'm sure.

So there you have it - same cars, different motors. Different results too

Hope that helps some!

Oh, and here's a thread on WHERE to find a swap:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=50010

Good luck!


[Modified by B18C5-EH2, 3:01 PM 3/23/2002]

B19CivicHB

wow, that is great info. someone needs to save that and copy\paste it everytime someone posts a "What swap should i get?" topic. you rock B18c5

SoulSurfer

I think it's funny how most people completely throw out the B18B. I chose the LS just because it was a lot cheaper than a B16 or B18C but I dont regret it. The car moves pretty good with an 1/4 mile pass of 14.9@93mph. It's also a good base for a turbo project.
Another good swap is the SOHC VTEC with a nice turbo. That can get you in the 13s on street tires.