mik101

Hey,

I'm planning to do a rear disc brake conversion on my 97 SI-G (same as an EX w/ABS) in the USA but I was wondering if it matters if the rear trailing arms and spindles etc come off of a non-ABS integra/delsol/civic, or if the ones from a car with ABS are different.

If you CAN use spindles off a non-abs car then all I have left to get are ebrake cables.

Thanks everyone!


Edit: I found all the other info that I need, if someone could help me out with that last question I would be very grateful.

Modified by mik101 at 5:34 PM 4/18/2006


Modified by mik101 at 5:34 PM 4/18/2006


Modified by mik101 at 7:19 PM 4/18/2006

pdiggitydogg

ABS hubs have sensors on them, so you do need to get ones from a car that also had abs, in order to retain yours

JasonGhostz

EDIT: updated measurements... I got confused...

The Rear Disc Brake Spindles for Civic and Integra models with ABS should have some sensor wiring drilled and fastened to the lower caliper mounting lobe. The Caliper Mudguards (the black circular ones) also have a cutout for the sensor to fit through. As mentioned above, the Hub/Bearing Assemblies also have a castellated magnetic collar around the base of the assy.

When I had a set of the ABS hub/bearing assemblies (42200-SR3-A53, "the wrong ones" (for me)), they *seemed* "taller" (from the base to the top of the wheel spacer pilot); heavier; and they might've had a larger inner diameter (for the bearings' inner races) than the non-ABS rear disc brake hub/bearing assemblies (42200-SR3-A06). I didn't have an accurate set of measuring tools at the time I had the ABS Hubs, but the rear disc brake *NON-ABS* hub/bearing assembly's inner diameter (also the Spindle's Outter Shaft Diameter) is 1.181" (30mm), and the spindle length is about 2.75" (~70mm, from the top of the threaded end to the recessed base)... If you need more measurements for the NON-ABS Hub/Bearing assembly for comparison, or if you get a reading on the ABS Spindle's Outter Shaft Diameter and length, lmk...

I don't think your ABS system will work properly without readings from your rear wheels. Your ABS system needs to perform modulations across both brake circuits (4 corners) in order to properly manage your ABS system, and it can't do this without getting readings from all 4 corners.

Other than that, just keep your mind open and try not to fall in the trap of thinking there's only one way to do things, because not a lot of people (based on post content) have done ABS system mods.

GL and let us know!
JasonGhostz


Modified by JasonGhostz at 5:15 PM 4/18/2006

mik101

Thanks guys... sorry for the bump my browser wouldnt refresh for the last hour.
I havent checked which ones are sitting in the shed. Hopefully its ABS, but with my luck I doubt it.

Modified by mik101 at 7:37 PM 4/18/2006


Modified by mik101 at 7:38 PM 4/18/2006

JasonGhostz

Here are some pix of 08220-SR3-A53 (ABS):
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...s.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...b.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...y.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/im...p.jpg

Here are some diagrams for what you're looking for:
- USDM 99-00 Civic SI Rear Disc Brakes. The diagram shows an ABS Sensor cutout and the Hub/Bearing assembly with the magnetic collar around its base, even though it didn't have ABS...
https://www.hondapartsdeals.co...4.gif
- USDM 99-00 Civic SI Rear Lower Arm. The diagram shows the ABS Sensor in the upper part. Also notice that this diagram shows the spindle without the caliper bracket mounting lobes. You'll also need the ABS Protectors (5, 6) in the lower right corner (I think you can use your og ones)...
https://www.hondapartsdeals.co...3.gif

Here's a link to a post with a lot of info and other links to stuff you might need to know...
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1349450

I'm currenlty about 97% done with my rear disc brake RESTORATION (man.. you should've seen this crap). I'll update with more pics sometime soon.

Again, I didn't have my current set of measuring tools when I had the set pictured above (check my sig!!). Can you do me a favor and try to get some measurements for your spindles and hub/bearing assys if you can?

TIA and GL
JasonGhostz

JasonGhostz

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Hey mik101, you didn't mark your question!! If your "last question" is...

Can ABS Hub/Bearing Rear Disc Brake assemblies properly fit NON-ABS Rear Spindles?

Then I'll need your help in answering.

What is the inner diameter for the ABS Hub/Bearing assembly? If it is 1.181" (30mm), then a "yes" is still possible...
http://img487.imageshack.us/im...f.jpg

When you lay the ABS Hub flat with the lug studs pointing upward, how "tall" are the inner races for the bearings? This must match up with the yellow "A" below (~1.67").
Also, how tall is the assembly, NOT including the lug studs? This must match up with the barely legible "B" below (~2.75").
http://img103.imageshack.us/im...v.jpg
http://img295.imageshack.us/im...y.jpg

Other than that, I can't think of any other issues that would drastically affect fitment. I believe the Hub/Rotor mating surfaces are the same, since they both use the same calipers, and hence are the same distance from the spindle. The OverAll Diameter of the Hubs shouldn't come into play, since there is typically enough room around the inner diameter of the Rotor. The inner diameter of the Wheel/Spacer Pilot (the Outter Rim of the assy onto which the Hub Cap is fitted) is the same, as they both use the same part for the Hub Nut Washer, Hub Nut, and Hub Cap.

One other issue would be having to drill at least one hole in the lower caliper mounting lobe to fit the sensor assembly... There might be more required where sensor mounting is concerned...

Let us know what you find with your measurements!!!!

And if worse comes to worse, you can send me your hub with return shipping paid, and I'll show you pics of it fitting or not before sending it back...

JasonGhostz