tdbhonda

hi guys

i wanna make some power so im looking around and i know this had to have been discussed at one point but i cant find anything.

right now i have a stock jdmb16a in my 99 coupe



heres what i plan on doing:
valve train (whats the best springs and retainers for the money)
cams (again the best for the money)
cam gears
intake manifold
ill have the head cleaned and ported i know a good machine shop

are the skunk 2 and blox even a good option? i've seen some discussion on ITR stuff what do you think?


im sure someone has done this at some point
any help will be appreciated
thanks

tdbhonda

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tercel95

Blox and skunk2 parts are not on the same level in terms of quality. Blox stuff is good for what it is but they really are the budget parts manufacturer...

I personally have the complete skunk2 valvetrain and skunk2 stage 1 cams. I am very happy with the setup. It makes noticeable power and is very streetable... What kind of power numbers are you looking for here?

All of this stuff will require a tune though. If you just slap all of those parts on your car will run like garbage until you get it tuned. Plan that into your budget.

ITR cams will net you some gains without a tune but with a tune you will see better gains with the skunk2 cams...

The ITR manifold and the skunk2 manifold are similar set ups...

90Rexx

skunk2 is a good manifold choice but look into higher end valvetrain components. ive heard from alot of people that skunk2 valvetrain components are not as good as other similar price brands.

JDM_SOHC

crower, toda, ect...

tercel95

I've had no problems with my skunk2 valvetrain all the way up to 8800 rpm...

tdbhonda

thanks guys
im not looking to get 300 horse or anything
i just want a little more power for the top end and i just want to do it right
since i know people have already done it, im just asking opinions
after i build the topend i plan on throwing a 1.8 block under it and calling it a day

and tuned are you talking dyno tuned? or street tuned? i understand with a dyno tune you'll get much more power but is it safe to run on a street tune?
thanks

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tercel95

I ran on the stock tune for a little while. It is completely safe but you wont see any power increase. For all of the money you are about to spend we are talking <5hp without a tune. The car will idle a little funny and spew black soot everywhere...

Street tunes are iffy. In this case with cams you really need to know A/F ratios to see what needs to be changed...

BTW there is more to it than just throwing a b18 block under it and calling it a day, but that is an entirely different subject...

Schister66

1. Ferrera (sp?) or Supertech
2. Skunk2 Pro1's, Blox B or even ITR/CTR cams since you're still on the stock bottom end
3. Cam gears are all about the same...
4. Edelbrock Victor X

You may also want to check in the All Motor forum to see what the popular choice are these days...

tercel95

The skunk2 pro1's are a bit extreme in my opinion without a compression bump...

blackGSRcoupe94

i run crower 404 i think thats the number and some shity phantom grip locking rockers and love it to death. but mosdef lean towards crower toda. i've never had a problem with any of that stuff.

Schister66

Probably so, but they're the only Skunk 2 cams i would want to use. For this setup, a set of Blox B's / ITR cams would probably be fine; however, if you're upgrading the valvetrain, why not go a little larger than the norm...Honestly, i know very little of NA setups these days...i'm too in to turbo setups

tercel95

You can run the skunk2 tuner cams on the stock valvetrain but I upgraded mine.

I have no personal experience with Blox cams but in this game you get what you pay for. I have never had a problem with a skunk2 product.

ITR cams are nice but you will see better gains with the Tuner skunk2 stage 1 cams...

Skunk2 tuner stage 1 cams are designed for maximum gains with the stock compression...

For the OP I think anything more extreme than the tuner skunk2 stage 1 cams would be pointless and poop on driveability...

tdbhonda

i want to be a daily driver
i dont wanna boost and have to worry
i wanna put this together make some power and be happy

and as far as teh throw a b18 block under it, im taking a gsr bottom end
to the best of my knowledge i can simply rid the b16 block and put the gsr block under my head

thanks for all your help guys

acura1808

blox and skunk2 are all about the same i have a head built by skunk2 i love it
i have a head with all bloxs to and it is all the same stuff man
and blox cams are the bang for the buck type A for 400 out the door man. i have them i take them to 8500k all day and make power so i say get bloxs alot cheaper

tercel95

Putting the b16 head on the GSR block will raise compression... You can run a different size head gasket to make up for it. Again tuning is key here...

acura1808

yeah i agree i have a b20vtec and i got mine tuned i have 6k on it and no problems at all runs nice you just cant go cheap because u get what u pay for and do all work half ***

tercel95

I assumed he meant using a GSR block with the b16 head which most people think is as simple as that when its not.

LS/Vtec and B20/Vtec setups are different animals entirely. I'm sure you can attest as to all that goes into building one properly...

tdbhonda

excellent
so acura1808

you felt and saw roughly the same numbers from blox?
thanks again

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tercel95

For the record I have put over 50,000 miles on my skunk2 cams and valvetrain with no issues...