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10-04-2004, 06:12 PM
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accord engine into hatch.
my friend just had his car stolen and the engine and everything was left. Only the interior was stolen. Car was burned afterwards but no harm in the engine bay. Probably need a new ecu and whatnot inside. It has AEM cai, dc sport header, 2 1/4 piping, cams, cam gears, pulleys, all msd ****. Pretty nice. Its a 98 accord I think. Not sure on the year. Thinking about buying all that for 800 bux.
What do you all think?
What do you all think?
10-04-2004, 06:23 PM
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Ever been blueballed? That's what your car will feel after you spend the money to put an F22 in your hatchback. Lots of effort, lots of money, little payoff.
10-04-2004, 06:37 PM
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how is it lots of money and work? it uses h22 mounts which have gone down in price a ton, and the wiring is prolly a bitch but will be worth it when it's complete and compared his D right now.
F22=MAD torque and CHEAP and IRON sleeves. Great engine for boost on a budget
It'll be a huge power gain for relatively cheap, so a little more effort should be expected and accepted for the gains. i'm also thinking of doing this, goodluck bro
*edit* also there is a thread on here about putting an H22 head on a f22 block so you get some hp for that torque. Also, some company is putting out, or it could already be out, an H to D conversion plate for the tranny. Just some fyi
F22=MAD torque and CHEAP and IRON sleeves. Great engine for boost on a budget
It'll be a huge power gain for relatively cheap, so a little more effort should be expected and accepted for the gains. i'm also thinking of doing this, goodluck bro*edit* also there is a thread on here about putting an H22 head on a f22 block so you get some hp for that torque. Also, some company is putting out, or it could already be out, an H to D conversion plate for the tranny. Just some fyi
10-04-2004, 06:44 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG_Civic_GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't h22 dohc and f22 sohc....or does thay not matter?</TD></TR></TABLE>
True but they use the same mount pattern.
True but they use the same mount pattern.
10-04-2004, 07:16 PM
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I'd say if you have the time and effort, F22B1 is a good choice out of the 1995-1996 Accord. I believe those years are OBD-1 where the 1996+ are OBD-2. My girl has an OBD-2 F22B1 Accord and I love the torque on it.
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10-05-2004, 10:23 AM
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Or he can get a Z6 OBD1 for like $300-$500. With its tranny and because of its gearing, even with the lower torque, it will still take on that F22.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicVX94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how is it lots of money and work? it uses h22 mounts which have gone down in price a ton, and the wiring is prolly a bitch but will be worth it when it's complete and compared his D right now.
F22=MAD torque and CHEAP and IRON sleeves. Great engine for boost on a budget It'll be a huge power gain for relatively cheap, so a little more effort should be expected and accepted for the gains. i'm also thinking of doing this, goodluck bro
*edit* also there is a thread on here about putting an H22 head on a f22 block so you get some hp for that torque. Also, some company is putting out, or it could already be out, an H to D conversion plate for the tranny. Just some fyi</TD></TR></TABLE>
"Great engine for boost on a budget"? I don't think anybody should boost if they're going to be on a budget doing it. If you're going to boost, go all the way and pay the price to have it done right. Everybody always says just boost it, but there are some ppl out there that want to go normally-aspirated. I mean he can boost that F22 if he wants to prove something. Otherwise, for $800 he's got enough money to get a Z6, and do a mini-me swap to get some torque and should still have enough to work with the motor.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicVX94 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how is it lots of money and work? it uses h22 mounts which have gone down in price a ton, and the wiring is prolly a bitch but will be worth it when it's complete and compared his D right now.
F22=MAD torque and CHEAP and IRON sleeves. Great engine for boost on a budget
It'll be a huge power gain for relatively cheap, so a little more effort should be expected and accepted for the gains. i'm also thinking of doing this, goodluck bro*edit* also there is a thread on here about putting an H22 head on a f22 block so you get some hp for that torque. Also, some company is putting out, or it could already be out, an H to D conversion plate for the tranny. Just some fyi</TD></TR></TABLE>
"Great engine for boost on a budget"? I don't think anybody should boost if they're going to be on a budget doing it. If you're going to boost, go all the way and pay the price to have it done right. Everybody always says just boost it, but there are some ppl out there that want to go normally-aspirated. I mean he can boost that F22 if he wants to prove something. Otherwise, for $800 he's got enough money to get a Z6, and do a mini-me swap to get some torque and should still have enough to work with the motor.
10-05-2004, 11:02 AM
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Re: accord engine into hatch. (zephyr13)
I'm sure you guys have beatin cars with much higher torque and hp. Even some domestics. A lot has to do with gearing. Just get a Z6.
10-05-2004, 11:15 AM
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Re: accord engine into hatch. (TallAssFilipino)
The accord motor into a civic is not a bad swap, but $800 is too much.
My friend got a '99 f23 (sohc vtec 150hp 152 trq) Motor and tranny for $50.
After everything was said and done he spent less than $1000 on the whole swap.
That includes mounts, axles, shift linkage, '96 complete intake manifold, obd1 Accord EX ecu, and aftermarket intake and header.
We put the swap into his '95 dx coupe and the thing is QUICK!
It absolutely dusted an h22a '98 accord with I/H/E and held it own agianst a wrx (from a roll) with air filter and complete turbo back exhaust.
I'd love to see what this swap would do with an h22 tranny, bolt-ons, and a lightweight flywheel in a gutted hatch.
My friend got a '99 f23 (sohc vtec 150hp 152 trq) Motor and tranny for $50.
After everything was said and done he spent less than $1000 on the whole swap.
That includes mounts, axles, shift linkage, '96 complete intake manifold, obd1 Accord EX ecu, and aftermarket intake and header.
We put the swap into his '95 dx coupe and the thing is QUICK!
It absolutely dusted an h22a '98 accord with I/H/E and held it own agianst a wrx (from a roll) with air filter and complete turbo back exhaust.
I'd love to see what this swap would do with an h22 tranny, bolt-ons, and a lightweight flywheel in a gutted hatch.
10-05-2004, 11:30 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dimi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd say if you have the time and effort, F22B1 is a good choice out of the 1995-1996 Accord. I believe those years are OBD-1 where the 1996+ are OBD-2. My girl has an OBD-2 F22B1 Accord and I love the torque on it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The 94-95 F22B1 (accord ex) was ODB1 and the 96-97 F22B1 (accord ex) was ODB2. I agree with the F22B1 though. Thats whats I'm going to be using since I have it just sitting in the garage from when I totalled my Accord. Other than that though it has good numbers to start with, iron sleeves, use the same mounts as the H22, etc. The 98+ F series isn't bad either but I wouldn't spend 800 on it. You can probably find a F22B1 complete swap for around 500 or less pretty easy. Not too many people want them so that keeps the price down.
The 94-95 F22B1 (accord ex) was ODB1 and the 96-97 F22B1 (accord ex) was ODB2. I agree with the F22B1 though. Thats whats I'm going to be using since I have it just sitting in the garage from when I totalled my Accord. Other than that though it has good numbers to start with, iron sleeves, use the same mounts as the H22, etc. The 98+ F series isn't bad either but I wouldn't spend 800 on it. You can probably find a F22B1 complete swap for around 500 or less pretty easy. Not too many people want them so that keeps the price down.
10-05-2004, 11:32 AM
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Re: accord engine into hatch. (Slopoke)
It has I/H/E, cams, cam gears, pulleys, msd ignition, fuel management, and a bunch of other ****. very very super clean engine. Always maintained. I think its worth the 800 bux. And I think I'm going to buy it. Have to wait and see what their insurance company says.
10-05-2004, 01:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TallAssFilipino »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or he can get a Z6 OBD1 for like $300-$500. With its tranny and because of its gearing, even with the lower torque, it will still take on that F22.
"Great engine for boost on a budget"? I don't think anybody should boost if they're going to be on a budget doing it. If you're going to boost, go all the way and pay the price to have it done right. Everybody always says just boost it, but there are some ppl out there that want to go normally-aspirated. I mean he can boost that F22 if he wants to prove something. Otherwise, for $800 he's got enough money to get a Z6, and do a mini-me swap to get some torque and should still have enough to work with the motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's your opinion on boost tho, the F22 can hold 10lbs easily stock. and tons and tons of people do junk yard turbos, so are they not on a budget? if you buy from a junkyard(not that there is anything wrong with it) but it means BUDGET. Also, if you boost low, there really isn't much danger. And it doesn't take much boost to gain tons of power out of a 2.2L, o and it isn't proving something if you want to be fast for your own pleasure. and NA sucks
but I was just making a point, good engine to boost. regardless of the fact if he wants FI or not, it's still a good engine to boost.
Also what dumb *** would go out and buy a z6 then do a mini me instead of using the complete engine?
And like I said before there is a conversion plate out there for the use of D series tranny's on H and F series engine. So there is no way in hell an F22 with a z6 tranny would be beat by a z6.....no way. or you could splurge and get an h22 with lsd tranny. of course we're not taking the actual driving into account.
so for 800 I would much rather get a f22 over a z6 with money to spare, but just my opinion. altho I would look for a cheaper engine...it is kinda pricey
"Great engine for boost on a budget"? I don't think anybody should boost if they're going to be on a budget doing it. If you're going to boost, go all the way and pay the price to have it done right. Everybody always says just boost it, but there are some ppl out there that want to go normally-aspirated. I mean he can boost that F22 if he wants to prove something. Otherwise, for $800 he's got enough money to get a Z6, and do a mini-me swap to get some torque and should still have enough to work with the motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's your opinion on boost tho, the F22 can hold 10lbs easily stock. and tons and tons of people do junk yard turbos, so are they not on a budget? if you buy from a junkyard(not that there is anything wrong with it) but it means BUDGET. Also, if you boost low, there really isn't much danger. And it doesn't take much boost to gain tons of power out of a 2.2L, o and it isn't proving something if you want to be fast for your own pleasure. and NA sucks
but I was just making a point, good engine to boost. regardless of the fact if he wants FI or not, it's still a good engine to boost.Also what dumb *** would go out and buy a z6 then do a mini me instead of using the complete engine?
And like I said before there is a conversion plate out there for the use of D series tranny's on H and F series engine. So there is no way in hell an F22 with a z6 tranny would be beat by a z6.....no way. or you could splurge and get an h22 with lsd tranny. of course we're not taking the actual driving into account.
so for 800 I would much rather get a f22 over a z6 with money to spare, but just my opinion. altho I would look for a cheaper engine...it is kinda pricey
10-05-2004, 01:58 PM
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Well the insurance company won't give the car back because it isn't "restorable". sux. But since I may be getting a job at NEC. I can get a larger loan. Prolly do a b16 or ls swap. Don't know which one yet.
10-06-2004, 03:26 AM
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well that sucks. Is the car at a junkyard or something? If so, just go there and see what they want, maybe you can get it cheaper.
oh, and the intake and exhaust thats on his Accord won't work for you in you car. You would be able to keep the header, cam, cam gear, msd and pulleys though.
oh, and the intake and exhaust thats on his Accord won't work for you in you car. You would be able to keep the header, cam, cam gear, msd and pulleys though.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The 94-95 F22B1 (accord ex) was ODB1 and the 96-97 F22B1 (accord ex) was ODB2. I agree with the F22B1 though. Thats whats I'm going to be using since I have it just sitting in the garage from when I totalled my Accord. Other than that though it has good numbers to start with, iron sleeves, use the same mounts as the H22, etc. The 98+ F series isn't bad either but I wouldn't spend 800 on it. You can probably find a F22B1 complete swap for around 500 or less pretty easy. Not too many people want them so that keeps the price down.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dammit I keep forgetting 1994 was the year when they came out with the F22B1. I always catch myself saying 1995. As you see, I said 1996 twice. Blah...
The 94-95 F22B1 (accord ex) was ODB1 and the 96-97 F22B1 (accord ex) was ODB2. I agree with the F22B1 though. Thats whats I'm going to be using since I have it just sitting in the garage from when I totalled my Accord. Other than that though it has good numbers to start with, iron sleeves, use the same mounts as the H22, etc. The 98+ F series isn't bad either but I wouldn't spend 800 on it. You can probably find a F22B1 complete swap for around 500 or less pretty easy. Not too many people want them so that keeps the price down.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dammit I keep forgetting 1994 was the year when they came out with the F22B1. I always catch myself saying 1995. As you see, I said 1996 twice. Blah...
10-06-2004, 05:30 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TallAssFilipino »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or he can get a Z6 OBD1 for like $300-$500. With its tranny and because of its gearing, even with the lower torque, it will still take on that F22.
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I highly doubt a stock D16Z6 with the EX transmission can take on a stock F22B1 with an H22 transmission bolted on. More horsepower and WAY more torque. PLUS, shorter gearing of the H22 transmission.
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I highly doubt a stock D16Z6 with the EX transmission can take on a stock F22B1 with an H22 transmission bolted on. More horsepower and WAY more torque. PLUS, shorter gearing of the H22 transmission.
10-06-2004, 05:57 AM
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Re: accord engine into hatch. (yanta)
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Damn! What a great technically-backed reply!
I say find one cheaper than $800.00 to help offset the cost of the mount kit and axles.
If I had a really cheap F22A at my disposal (like $100.00 maybe) I'd think about doing the swap. After figuring in the axles and mounts the cost would still be under $1000.00 like someone else already stated and it'd definately bequicker than stock.
Something to think about:
D16Z6 swaps range from FREE up to $950.00 or so, so arguing price is a moot point here guys. Same goes for Accord swaps. What it boils down to is each individual and his situation, because generally speaking doesn't apply here.
BTW:
A free Accord engine with a free Z6/Y8 tranny added with a purchased adapter plate with the mount kit would make for a pretty budget-minded hybrid that could have some potential to haul some ***. Throw in a cam, cam gear, and a Hondata or V-AFC for some tuning and it could turn some heads.
Also don't forget that if you started with free or nearly free engine and tranny you could fork out some extra cash for a closer rate final drive and LSD for the Z6/Y8 tranny or simply find a good H22A LSD tranny and avoid the adapter plate.
Damn! What a great technically-backed reply!
I say find one cheaper than $800.00 to help offset the cost of the mount kit and axles.
If I had a really cheap F22A at my disposal (like $100.00 maybe) I'd think about doing the swap. After figuring in the axles and mounts the cost would still be under $1000.00 like someone else already stated and it'd definately bequicker than stock.
Something to think about:
D16Z6 swaps range from FREE up to $950.00 or so, so arguing price is a moot point here guys. Same goes for Accord swaps. What it boils down to is each individual and his situation, because generally speaking doesn't apply here.
BTW:
A free Accord engine with a free Z6/Y8 tranny added with a purchased adapter plate with the mount kit would make for a pretty budget-minded hybrid that could have some potential to haul some ***. Throw in a cam, cam gear, and a Hondata or V-AFC for some tuning and it could turn some heads.
Also don't forget that if you started with free or nearly free engine and tranny you could fork out some extra cash for a closer rate final drive and LSD for the Z6/Y8 tranny or simply find a good H22A LSD tranny and avoid the adapter plate.
10-06-2004, 06:18 AM
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A free Accord engine with a free Z6/Y8 tranny added with a purchased adapter plate with the mount kit would make for a pretty budget-minded hybrid that could have some potential to haul some ***.</TD></TR></TABLE>
funny you should say that. That is my exact plan. I have my F22B1 motor in my moms garage just waiting. I will be buying the adapter plate from Bisimoto and putting my current tranny (Y8) onto it. I believe the kit will include a driver side mount, custom flywheel and the adapter plate. Bisimoto said that he will be updating his site when the kit becomes avaiible.
A free Accord engine with a free Z6/Y8 tranny added with a purchased adapter plate with the mount kit would make for a pretty budget-minded hybrid that could have some potential to haul some ***.</TD></TR></TABLE>
funny you should say that. That is my exact plan. I have my F22B1 motor in my moms garage just waiting. I will be buying the adapter plate from Bisimoto and putting my current tranny (Y8) onto it. I believe the kit will include a driver side mount, custom flywheel and the adapter plate. Bisimoto said that he will be updating his site when the kit becomes avaiible.
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