slow99dx

Just wondering what you guys think of this body style of civic, compared to other generations of civic, and in general. Were talking about the model with the horseshoe lighs, not the 04-05.

TsujenDB1

Ugliest civic ever made IMO. Wish they never even made those years.

slow99dx

What I dont understand is why they keep making the hoods shorter with every generation. The front end of the civic is looking more and more like a mini van.

Arthas

Everyone* hates the 7th generation Civic.
















*Almost.

slow99dx

The funny thing is, my first car was a black 99 DX Coupe that was basically handed to me with 88,000 on the odometer. For some reason, still unknown to me, I traded it in for a silver 02 EX Coupe.

At the time I didnt know anything about swaps, and wouldnt even consider driving a stick and really wasntinto Hondas at all. Looking back I shoulda kept the 99' and just did an engine swap a few years later.

Everytime I reflect on trading in my 99 I feel sick to my stomache and want to cry.

Arthas

slow99dx

It looks like 1,2,3 and 7th gen are planing something.

HyRev

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Haha^^ Definitely those are some shady *** sheep

toyomatt84

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I'm a black sheep owner here. From my perspective, the 7th Gen. has far more character then many of it's predecessors and followers.

5th & 6th Gen. - Far too many of them out there to really be all that original to me. (Don't take this as an insult, as its only the reason as to why I chose to go with the 7th Gen.)
8th Gen. and newer - Far too large for me to consider them as a Civic anymore. It's more of an Accord anymore, with suspension that was built to a budget. (Again, don't take this as an insult. Its merely the reason why I chose the 7th Gen.)

slow99dx

Is the 7th gen suspension really that much better? Compared to the rest of the car, the stock steering/suspension is one of the its worst features imo. Never drove an 8th gen, though.

toyomatt84

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My car is far from stock, and has been for quite a few years. So, sadly, I cannot really attest to how they are in stock trim anymore. As for performance potential, I rather enjoy how my suspension reacts in turns. A lot more so then my '96 hatchback. (Again, this is my own personal choice, not the reflection of anything mainstream)

k20whitevic

I, too, have to stand up behind Matt. The 7th generation provides you with a platform to actually be different, from the thousands of Honda's that are into this scene. The car itself, to me, feels much better in comparison to other generations of Civics that I have driven and I enjoy the OEM layout of the interior much better, too! If you don't enjoy the body style now, then it's probably not for you (not trying to be disrespectful there).

slow99dx

I actually dont HATE my em2- I just like the older ones a little more, but not enough to sell my car and hunt one down in good condition. If my car was a 5spd, had si wheels and maybe lowered to get rid of that nasty rear end bounce, then id probabaly be happy with it. Right now im looking into auto to manual swaps but dont know were to begin.

Em2Latinkid

I've had my em2 for over 9 years now, was my first car and still remains my favorite civic body style even though I converted it from the 01-03 to 04-05. In my opinion, the body lines of the 7th gen are much better than previous gens. They are definilty the black sheeps of all civic models but I think that's what I love the most. I can't even count the number of times that people have told me, "Wow dude, I've never seen anybody hook up that model year like that. ***** clean!" Not trying to bash anybody on this forum because I have seen some really nice civics but the 7thgen just stands apart from your typical cookie cutter civic.

turnsignalandy

K swaps are a lot easier in 7th gens then 5-6th gens. RSX 5-lug is pretty easy to do, and does not cost an arm/leg like doing a 5 lug on a 5-6th gen. they defiantly have some advantages over the older civics

Freshdot

lol @ thread.

Arthas

No its not, please do not get that idea. Most 7g owners will tell you themselves that the suspension isnt as good as other cars.

Not trying to say you cant build on that; my friends 2002 EM2 with FnF Type 2 coil overs and Progress rear sway bar+subframe set up handles really nice and has the perfect amount of over steer. With some stickier tires that car wouldnt have a problem getting decent numbers at an auto-x course.

Your argument for the 5th and 6th gen is too biased and not really criticizing how it was built like you did for the 7th. The 4-6G Civics are really great cars with amazing suspension set ups, specially for its time and price level. Thats something you cant get with a 7th gen and thats not an opinion. I dont think Macpherson is a horrible design, but its certainly not up there with that of an 88-00 Civic.

7G's are also look very similar to the 6G from a non-enthusiasts perspective as well as the interior. Very similar climate control to the 99-00 right?? Also the fact that the 01-05 coupe didnt really exist in other parts of the country is also why many people dont get them. Theres not as much aftermarket support for them as there is for 88-00, another reason why they arent popular. Only swap for them is a K20. 88-00?? D series, B series, H series, J series, K series, etc etc.

The 8th gen i can agree. The car is a huge but at least Honda did a complete redesign and gave the car real power. LSD, 2.0, 200hp, nice factory options, etc etc. The 7G Si has a 2.0 liter pumping out the same HP as an EM1, but with a lower red line? Yeah cool story Honda.

I cant agree that the 7G has character than its predecessors and followers, if anything very far from it.

Arthas

Its a good car, im not a 7G hater, but its not as tuner friendly as the 88-00 and 06+ Civics. If you want to fix one up then all power to you!! I love seeing a clean 7th gen! You never see that theyre usually either stock, or ugly.





That red one is so pretty.

toyomatt84

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Actually, there's just as many aftermarket suspension options for 7th Gen. Civics as there are for previous generations. Mostly because the suspension shares almost every component from DC5 and EP3 chassis. I don't know where you're pulling that statement from, because its definitely not factual. Also, unlike previous generations, the front sub-frame mounts to both the front of the car, as well as underneath the firewall. This yields a stronger mounting point for the lower control arms, and thus a stronger suspension configuration from factory (you also get better lower control arm angles up front, albeit the compliance bushings are typically garbage).

Plus, I already stated the opinions on other generation Civics was a personal one (thus the argument towards it being a "biased" opinion was already explained).


Well, on the looks standpoint, this is an entirely subjective opinion. I do see some hints from the 6th Gen., but I would never say they're "very similar" in design. The 7th Gen. is larger, has slightly softer lines in the front, and the rear end is entirely different. Interior wise, they may have similar designs between the 99-00 climate control and that of the 7th Gen., but that's where most of the similarities die.

Stating that there are not many engine swaps for the 7th Gen. chassis is rather a moot point. How many engine swaps do you see for an EP3 or DC5? Also, the 7th Gen. comes with a D-series and can utilize K24's as well (something you glossed over). The parts availability is still rather high, given the chassis similarities with other Honda's that are available in foreign markets.


Again, I stated that my views towards the car were of my own opinion. I never stated it was a broadly accepted view (and there is plenty evidence out there to suggest that it isn't a popular one). But, I still feel that the car has a charm that I do not see in other Civic generations. It's as simple as that.

Lasty K

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I like the body style, I think it's unique (Honda wise) and has some clean lines. Even though the aftermarket support isn't really there for cosmetics, I don't think it needs much of that any way.

I also like the EP3 as well.

Arthas

I said K20, why do I have to be repetitive and say K24 as well? I didnt say B18, B16, B17 etc etc for the 88-00 which wouldve made my argument even stronger.

Its a nice car and im glad you like it and find charm in it, many people dont. I was simply stating the many reasons why people would prefer an 88-00 or 06+ chassis to the 01-05.

Arthas

For the sake of this thread, post up some pics of your 01-05!

Rude Awakening

Yeah, I wouldn't buy a 7G for the Honda premuim, but I do like that dark almost gunmetal 03-05 coupe, and the LED cluster in the 03 is pretty sick. I wouldn't give up my Prelude, or trade a 99-00 for one, that for sure.

Well, before my Prelude was RHD or had the swap, and the $7K+ of work into it, I considered trading it for an EM2 cause I wanted a car that I wouldn't want to mod. We met and drove each others cars, and it felt EXACTLY like an EK, and I've had 2. There's this, thin-paneled, cheap feeling to EK's and EM2's interiors, that even EG's dont have. That and being reminded how much suck the D-series is on that test is why I still have the Lude.

toyomatt84

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I currently own both a '96 EJ6 hatchback and my '01 EM2, and I would disagree entirely. Turn-in on my EM2 (even before the suspension modifications), still felt slightly more aggressive then the hatchback. And, this is going from one car to the other in the same day.

As for the interior quality, I do admit that it's not the most spectacular. I would have loved to see more development in its design, and potentially more quality appearing/feeling materials (much like my xB has, sad as it is to say). My first Honda was an EJ2, and I would agree that the interior felt better all-around in that car. But, when comparing the look of the EJ6 interior an my EM2, I fail to see many similarities between the two generations.

And, yes, by all means the D17 is a weak engine. There's a reason why I didn't have mine for more then a year and a half.