http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xr-2j6dZ-0

 

^lol

 

whos going to import alliance on the 17th?

 

i think i'd rather have oversteer then understeer.

 

Understeer in a FWD car is easier to control.... Oversteer is more fun though.

Speaking of oversteer.

 

You bring up a good point about the utility of sway bars in EH's, either front, back or both and what purpose they serve depending in terms of their applications (AutoX, drag, DD etc...)

I wonder what other's have to say about the pros' con's (if any) of having:
1) rear sway bar ONLY
2) front bar ONLY
3) Front + rear sway bar


thoughts/comments?

 

why is this car not in honda tuning yet?

 

agreed! ^

 

these are very generic answers.

1. more rotation.

2. less rotation.

3. depending on choosen bars it could be neutral to previous setup or cause more/less rotation.

 

it was in import tuner.

 

Brad, you talk about rotation as if stability or responsiveness doesnt come into play. Its not just about rotation. I took of my rear strut bar for example and the car just felt soft and less responsive. Im sure a sway bar would act similarly. I think running a sway bar up front is good, just compensate with a bigger bar in the back.

 

I run a gsr rear sway because I haven't wanted to spend the money on it plus the subframe reinforcement. It would be more for looks since I don't plan on taking it to a (real) track this year.

 

I run GSR front and ITR rear on my hatch and like it although your suspension has a lot to do with it also. Its really not an answer kind of thing so much as a lengthy discussion for the suspension section lol

I can tell you though that with this setup the car feels pretty neutral in corners with lots of lift induced over steer lol Although it is nice because a slight lift of the throttle gets it to rotate nicely into sharp/hairpin turns. Other than that you dont want to lift in a corner in my car

 

my sway bar setup

before
Front: JDM DC2-R
Rear: Ultra Racing 19mm

now
Front: JDM DC2-R
Rear: JDM DC2-R


much appreciated improvement for me since the roads i use daily has a number of tight long turns. the rear doesnt feel like its floating much anymore and the front doesnt feel like it wants to step out.

 

:/ lmao.

 

I am.

 

I'm planning on it.

As for the sway bar thing I'm in the same situation. I wasn't running sway-bars (w/o LSD) in my CX and the car seemed to be neutral, although I never got a chance to auto-x it. With my current hatch I tracked it with LSD and I know that we are discussing sway-bars but having a LSD made a HUGE difference. I bought a set of 98-01 GSR sway-bars and put the front ones on and must admit I noticed a huge difference in the car's personality when cornering (aggressive and non). I haven't had a chance to put the rear one on yet as well as go with a better coil-over setup (I want GC/Koni but will probably go PIC). Gabe & Brad, hit me up with your #'s so I can harass you guys.

 

anyone know what clocks these are?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/titaniu...7622090523911/

 

i talk about rotation because that is what the car does or doesnt do. rotation is a true form of the word. you either rotate or you dont. i dont like to use the words oversteer or understeer because they are opinionated words. some might drive a car that seems to be "tailhappy" or oversteering but to another person that might feel like it has good rotation or feel "neutral".

i also stated they were very generic answers for a reason. i gave what simple physics would tell you about the given criteria. can a car with only a front bar have more rotation than a car with a rear bar? yes. every car is setup different..ie psi..damper settings..brakes..etc.

i didnt use the terms stability or "responsiveness" because i dont think they really have much to do with the basic sense of anti roll bar. responsiveness is another opinionated word. i can see your point in using the word stable but also you are talking about a dynamic movement while turning. so if you are or are not "stable" in the turn doesnt mean that it is or is not cause by the arb.

also you use the statement that you took off your rear strut tower bar and it felt less responsive and soft. i feel like this has alot to do with placebo effect. i can say myself and many people who track unibody double a arm honda/acuras do not run rear strut tower bars. i also do not think on the street you are going to be able to tell a difference in a strut tower bar..which leads me to my next point.

apparently you do not fully understand how an arb works because it will not affect the car in the same way as a strut tower bar especially on an a arm car. a strut tower bar mounts to fixed parts of the body already connected to the whole uniboy. an arb controls your unsprung weight by connecting the lcas and rotates through mounts on the body that allow a twisting action which acts as a spring.

 

im guessing you also have a lsd diff?

 

I have an ex front sway bar and ls rear sway bar. The car feels pretty neutral. I'd like to stiffen them.both up a little but I think it'll be hard to find a bigger front bar. And I don't think I wanna do just the rear.

 

Looks like Spoon gauges.

 

I'm pretty sure a friend of mine told me that was photoshopped, ask HBKFanatic he would know.

 

^+1. the 3rd pic of the cluster during the day shows "red" needles on the cluster. And if u look closely, the "green" is way to uniform. Typical clusters have more of a gradient with some areas that are slightly less bright than others... I say photoshopped definitely! but who knows...

.... those flicker pics are sweet... such a freakin pretty car...

 

I see what youre saying and agree. At the same time though I do think the rear strut has an effect. Im pretty good with placebo usually and I don't think this is one. After I took it off the car seems to change positions better (rotate) but at the same time I feel less confident with pushing it because I don't want it to oversteer. Yeah it probably does help not having one to get the car to oversteer a bit more but for daily highway exit ramp type corners it seems a lot more uniform with the rear bar. Sort of like more firm or responsive to the inputs. Could be placebo but I'll see how it compares after I put it back this weekend.