ProjectJDM

ooppss. I think I misread his question. Oh well, I'm not going to delete what I wrote : P lol

b16-ef-si

finally had the guts to rip of the door panel insert thing...its nice not having fkd up up panels

JDM'd OUT

H2B will be my choice.
Been working on my car a lot with my dad. Swapped in my LS finally. Changed the thermostat today. DAD TAUGHT ME. WOOT! Also sanded down my rusted hood and painted it with a spray can...color is black. Going to daily like that for awhile until i have some money to get a hood from the junkyard.

Brice.Hayden

iTrader: (15)

wow i love when people tell us obvious information. if you look at post 1 of page 1 by Ron bergenholtz, he has an h22 DA. you think we've gone YEARS without knowing how it works? get a clue buddy.

b16-ef-si

he is going back to fundamentals lol FUNDAMENTALS BRICE FUNDAMENTALS lol jk

ProjectJDM

like I previously stated, I misread his question.

You are correct, H22 has been around for a long while but H2B is fairly new & not a popular swap compaired to k's or b's. So not everyone knows what it is or actually know how it works.
I wasn't trying to state the obvious but mainly trying to state the pros and cons and give my oppinion incase he was thinking of doing the swap. Which that was my understanding.

Was bergenholtz a complete H22 swap or h2b? I looked at the first page and didnt see any info on it

jdmteggy93

im on my 3rd one wish i could afford to just keep one and restore it hopefully sometime soon ill find a clean one i can afford lol

DumaDA

my damn driver side bumper light fell off last night while driving. Pick n pull said that they charge $25 for them?!?!

kNOwLedGe.

H2B kits didn't exist when Bergenholtz started this thread.

Brice is just taking advantage of an opportunity to engage in some keyboard-warriorism. You'll get used to it if you're around enough.

gsilnc

i would prefer k series, just because of the durability of the motor... i can take alot.
not saying im gonna beat the **** out of it, but theres something comforting about not having a frankenstein motor... and also a six speed transmission. idk... i guess if budget is on your mind than h2b is the way to go... but if you go k your getting what you pay for.. in most cases a brand new motor and transmission and with a hondata k pro an easy 200 horses.
this is a bit biased because i believe when honda makes a motor they made it the right way and you dont go messing with the internals.
I still have respect for my b18a1... its a peppy little motor.. and gosh damn it has about 250k or more on it.

1200 Hobos

iTrader: (7)

Mechanical vtec > Intelligent vtec for me

And a 6 speed transmission is useless unless you're swapping a K into your daily driven stock EK for better gas mileage.

DumaDA

idk, a k20 in a rsx type s pulls pretty hard, i cant imagine how it'd feel when you cut 300-400 pounds off that

kNOwLedGe.

Yes, the engine can take a lot, but the transmissions haven't yet proven themselves to be as durable. This is the same for the F/H series transmissions; both the F/H and the K series transmissions are cable actuated (not to be confused with cable clutch) and don't use direct shift linkage like B/D series. Personally, I hate cable actuated transmissions. That was the whole resoning behind the H2B: get rid of the weak cable actuated transmission and use one proven to be durable.

You don't have a frankenstein motor. You have a regular motor with a different transmission on it.

Same for the H-series. A 100% internally stock H22A with some bolt-ons and tuning will net 200 reliable horsepower. Even more power can be seen when using an H23A DOHC VTEC, H22A Type S or Euro R.

There is only ONE drawback to the H2B setup (aside from hood clearance) and that is currently being addressed: the different tilt of the engine with the H2B swap makes the oil pan sit in an awkward position. It makes it hard to drain your oil and it can lead to oil starvation issues with a lot of g-force making the oil go to the front of the pan away from the pickup. Kaizenspeed is making an H2B specific oil pan that gets rid of this issue. Once that drops, H2B is issue free.

I'd take a stock H22A Type S longblock with a stock ITR transmission over a K-swap ALL DAY.

DumaDA

ive only seen one person who had a k swapped da. That rhd orange one, but from what i remember it was ridiculously slow for some reason

kNOwLedGe.

Any car will be slower than it should be if you have a shitty driver (i.e. the guy who bought the car from the builder).

"It's not the arrow, it's the indian."

DumaDA

i think the guy who built the car was driving, theres a video of it on youtube where he does a freeway pull, it pulls away like a stock LS hahaha

1200 Hobos

iTrader: (7)

Oh c'mon, it's not that hard to press the gas pedal and shift through gears hitting a shift point. It was on the freeway, he wasn't running a timed course or anything.

Unless the dude was completely clueless about honda engines and granny shifting...

DumaDA

either way, clueless or not, it was just a freeway pull, put the car into 4th or 3rd and push the gas. just search "rhd k20 da" on youtube, you'll see it

kNOwLedGe.

We all know what a K20A2 can do. If the car was slow as ***** (I haven't seen the video), it must not be running/tuned correctly and that's operator error. Thus, I reiterate my previous statement:

"It's not the arrow, it's the indian."

DumaDA

probably, i heard he track'd it too and ran like 14's

slammedg2

if u read about the car when the guy was building it , its says its a base model k20a3 soo the are slow

DumaDA

damn i never knew that, all that work he did, all that $ spent and he bought a base model k20?!

1200 Hobos

iTrader: (7)

^I guess he just wanted to be the first one to do a K in a DA, nothing else mattered.

Yeah I think that's what it was, one of those K's from a base model USDM EP or RSX... Very LS like Heheh

DumaDA

seems like such a waste of time and money, doing everything to have a K set up and then buying a base model motor

kNOwLedGe.

That's what I was talking about in the first place. I think the guy that bought the car drag raced it and it ran a mediocre time. That's what happens when you have a shitty driver.

You're full of ****. It was a K20A2 from an RSX Type S.

From the builder's for sale thread:

There you go.

Don't believe everyone on the internet. Tons of false info from people...