I am working on a engine build myself, details not to be released but I am shooting for 180-200whp out of a A1 hopefully but we will see what happens

 

lol thats 160 whp na from a b20 i dont know we will see i like vtec though and i can get a lot more power for less money na wise from the b16 then the b20

 

I'm willing to bet that you'll get similar performance figures out of both the b16 and the b20. The b20 will be much better for rolling acceleration, or 'real life' performance figures.

 

so 141whp out of a b16 was fake performance? I would go b16 over b20 any day of the week. I won't mention my Torque numbers because of the "hilarity" that would ensue.

 

id much rather keep my ls over a b16 any day. why not just do an ls/vtec? cheaper/better than a b16

 

I don't remember stating it had fake performance. Just not useful for daily needs. The b16's power curve is hardly flexible for a regular commute. Great if you plan to stay between 6000rpm and redline though.

If you get the decent b20 your only 'missing out' on 10hp, and gaining 22lb/ft of useful torque.

 

wow look what i started lol sorry

 

well like i said my budget is 3 grand and my goal is 160-170 whp and that 3 grand has to include the swap

 

well you said "real life performance" I DD'd a jdm b16 with S1 trans,exedy stage1 clutch and 9lb exedy flywheel, 130 miles everyday for 2 years. got 29-30mpg all the time. Maybe you and I have a different definition of a regular commute. It was plenty useful. And NO you don't have to stay between 6k and 8200 to have useable power.

 

Real life performance, being performance that is useful in the majority of your driving experience. 30-60mph in 5th is a more useful performance figure which is best represented by overtaking. 0 -60 times are impressive and fine for comparisons, but how often do you 0-60 on the way to work?

Which would be quicker 30-60 in 5th?

How much power do you think a b16 makes under 6000rpm? Probably less then a b20 at the same RPM, and the b20 would have a tonne more torque.

Perhaps my definition of regular commute is different though.

 

well at my age and place in life, i dont care about 90% of the things you just talked about. For pure enjoyment sake of said 130 mile commute, I enjoyed the B16 and was never disappointed in driveability and performance.
I can tell you how much power i made under 6000 rpms when i take a look at my dyno sheet, when I find it

and i would do a first gear redline pull at least once a day just for fun.
If you enjoy a b20 more then have at ya, but I find your comparisons very biased and naive.

 

I don't see how it's biased. Naive, perhaps. If i was tracking my car I'd prefer a B16. If i was lugging stuff around i'd prefer a b20.

Pick your poison. They both have their shortcomings. Though the original discussion was what would be best for DD'ing, and i wouldn't have picked a b16 with an LS tranny.

 

Wow, I'm going to actually side with Brice on the b16 rather than dd a b20.

 

Vtec > Non Vtec ................

 

both are slow as ***** :-)

b20-vtec+ turbo

and yes DD!

 

Our first breakthrough Matty, Do you want me to call Jerry Springer or Dr. Phil, or would you feel closer to Oprah?

 

X2 hahaha

My b16 was make 250whp around 4500rpm I believe and that had awesome throttle respones in 5th gear from 30-60mph... O wait it was turbo'd lol

 

ok i think im gonna go ls/vtec since i have a extra b18a1 motor laying around and since im gonna keep my ls tranny its cheaper to go ls vtec or i can spend the same 2500 and just build up my lsvtec and have more power then both a b16 and b20

 

i have a b20. for the price, it was better then a b16, i think. but if u wanna race, don't waste your time.

whoever decided to put that engine in a CRV was playing a joke on people who drive those things daily. It must be the must underpowered vehicle on the road.

 

all of your cars are gay who cares.

 

man, I don't think i've ever been in a honda without vtec, so I don't know how it would feel. Right now Im rockin' a B-series, K-series, and a J-series!

 

it can get pretty boring actually lol unless u are boosted

 

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I dont know man my mazda b2200 is pretty damn slow hahaha



Hey man with the motor pick it dosnt matter mark my words your always going to want to go faster...Once you start your going to want more haha

 

i couldn't imagine wanting to go fast and putting a b20 in an integra. that would be the biggest disappointment of my life i think. its just not worth it if u wanna go fast.

But i was thinking about this a little more yesterday as i was driving around...i think off the line, in traffic or on slower back roads, the B20 is gonna be a little better. However, 50mph and higher, the b16 is gonna be a lot quicker and more fun.

For a DD, i still stick with b20 because of cost effectiveness and ease of installation.

 

hmm just saw a post of someone putting down 179 whp with 142 lb-ft tq with stock bottom end b16 pistons crower 404 cam skunk im and 64mm tb now thats the numbers im loking for and for a much cheaper price and thats in a non vtec ls lol the gears are tuning in my head again but i also hear that crower 404 is overkill