<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe you just suck with computers Never gotten a corrupt bin, never had a fucked up Crome bin, never had 'null value' errors, never had a problem with GET/PUT, never had the bins change themselves. Just think about it, it's one guy who's coded the whole frickin' interface, it runs better than Windows and has less bugs You're complaining it's not bug free? Get over it, it's free!
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Yeah, triple_s1x knows dick about computers.

I guess some people just have lowered expectations. If it's beta, yeah I can understand, they're still testing it. When they do a final release, I expect it to work flawlessly, but it doesn't.

I don't care if it's free, how do they expect me to pay the $600 for the dealer license when they're free software sucks. Maybe once you try some real software you'll realize how much Crome sucks.

 

With my experience just with playing with the base maps and playing with some tuning crome runs a lot nicer/smoother than I could ever get Uberdata to, I always had idle problems with uber that didn't exist with crome. But I am a novice so take it or leave it.

 

Crome dont suck you suck. i only paid $50 to tune my turbo gsr and it runs like a champ and will outrun you any day

 

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Yeah, triple_s1x knows dick about computers.

I guess some people just have lowered expectations. If it's beta, yeah I can understand, they're still testing it. When they do a final release, I expect it to work flawlessly, but it doesn't.

I don't care if it's free, how do they expect me to pay the $600 for the dealer license when they're free software sucks. Maybe once you try some real software you'll realize how much Crome sucks. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's different for a dealer/tuner... I'm talking about a DIY mechanic here. Why would I pay $600 for some "real" software when I can do the same for free? Plus you get the tune right and it's not like you have to make changes every single day, so you hardly use the interface more than 8 hours, tops.

I don't care if they don't hold my hand for me and wipe my bum when I'm tuning I'll handle a few (VERY minor) bugs and incongruities and say a big THANK YOU to all that made this kind of DIY stuff a reality, to take away the notion that you need $1k for engine management and a pro tuner at 8 hours of dyno time just to run a dinky 300hp setup!

I wasn't seriously implying that triple_s1x is an idiot either btw... my apologies if it came off like that! Just saying that when you REALLY get down to why it sometimes won't let you type "1.1" is more of a blessing than a curse... because when you get to that level, you'll understand why these things are as they are and why a lot of the app works as it does.

 

my car idles like crap. i want a retune or i'm just gonna go with aem. i don't know what's wrong. i had the tuner send me the bin file, but when i go into options, the idle is set at 900. but my idle will bounce when at idle at certain times. weird.

 

Play with the timing slightly above the idle row. Say for 1000, drop the timing down to the same as the idle timing in both the 21" and 18" columns. A lot of times the bouncing is caused when the ECU interpolates between nearby cells, the timing fluctuates and that causes the idle to bounce or waver slightly.

It might also be caused by fluctuating voltage, temps, etc etc.

 

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I don't care if they don't hold my hand for me and wipe my bum when I'm tuning I'll handle a few (VERY minor) bugs and incongruities and say a big THANK YOU to all that made this kind of DIY stuff a reality, to take away the notion that you need $1k for engine management and a pro tuner at 8 hours of dyno time just to run a dinky 300hp setup!

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Thats cool, but i walk into the shop and i see backpurge jacking around with a vette using Hp_tuners for an hour without one single issue. That cost money, if the $150 chrome pro is garanteed to not suck i'd pay for it. The thing is my dinky low boost 300whp setup may not sound hard to tune, but imagine tuning it for a road course and imagine having a tune on it that will make sure the motor lasts 30 minutes straight. I have absolutly no faith in the chrome, uberdata, moates etc... to accomplish my goals. Why do i not have faith, possibly because on pgmfi.org there is a 12 page thread with known bug issues, now i have some bugs and automagically my burner is broke, my pc is a pos, i'm an idiot etc... nobody can back up an issue with a real answer. Which is fine, the app is free, but if they want me to spend 150 on it just so it can still suck with datalogging then they can kiss my ***.

 

That 12 page thread is about older versions of crome I've read your threads on pgmfi too... How many chips did you burn, 4? And you're ready to give up? Come on man, stick with it for a bit... so far your investment in crome was what, zero? And you got what, nothing out of it... so you're out nothing, save some time, and a bit more knowledge on how it works, and doesn't work

If you'd like I can send you a WORKING bin that I've run on my car, that should tell you if your version of Crome is bad, or if it's a problem with your burner, or ECU.

Sure, you can buy a system that will work out of the box, just like you can buy a turbo kit that will work out of the box, and you can pay a welder to do everything for you, and you can pay a shop to build your car for you. It's just a question of what you're willing to work with, and what you're willing to put up with. Doing the welding yourself may not look as pretty, and it's not as good a welder as the pros use, but a lot of guys get it done with a low-dollar MIG or stick welder, and chances are they couldn't make a manifold the first time they picked up the thing either!

So it's never as good doing a MIG in your garage with no training as a robotic TIG, and it's not as friendly as S300 or FAST or KPro or Neptune or whatever. No reason to say the MIG sucks, it gets the job done for a LOT of people.

 

i had issues with crome and p06 ecu engine wouldnt run properly, couldnt pull cells, blah blee,

does that have anythng to do with the fact that i was uploading p30 bins. but with the vtec diabled?

anyways swtiched back to uber and it all worked again.

also uber can datalog without that j12 being cut.

by the way that was with crome free version.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That 12 page thread is about older versions of crome I've read your threads on pgmfi too... How many chips did you burn, 4? And you're ready to give up? Come on man, stick with it for a bit... so far your investment in crome was what, zero? And you got what, nothing out of it... so you're out nothing, save some time, and a bit more knowledge on how it works, and doesn't work

If you'd like I can send you a WORKING bin that I've run on my car, that should tell you if your version of Crome is bad, or if it's a problem with your burner, or ECU.

Sure, you can buy a system that will work out of the box, just like you can buy a turbo kit that will work out of the box, and you can pay a welder to do everything for you, and you can pay a shop to build your car for you. It's just a question of what you're willing to work with, and what you're willing to put up with. Doing the welding yourself may not look as pretty, and it's not as good a welder as the pros use, but a lot of guys get it done with a low-dollar MIG or stick welder, and chances are they couldn't make a manifold the first time they picked up the thing either!

So it's never as good doing a MIG in your garage with no training as a robotic TIG, and it's not as friendly as S300 or FAST or KPro or Neptune or whatever. No reason to say the MIG sucks, it gets the job done for a LOT of people. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess we (triple_s1x and I) just don't like to half-*** things.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1465318

i think all ems can have trouble sometimes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That 12 page thread is about older versions of crome I've read your threads on pgmfi too... How many chips did you burn, 4? And you're ready to give up? Come on man, stick with it for a bit... so far your investment in crome was what, zero? And you got what, nothing out of it... so you're out nothing, save some time, and a bit more knowledge on how it works, and doesn't work

If you'd like I can send you a WORKING bin that I've run on my car, that should tell you if your version of Crome is bad, or if it's a problem with your burner, or ECU.

Sure, you can buy a system that will work out of the box, just like you can buy a turbo kit that will work out of the box, and you can pay a welder to do everything for you, and you can pay a shop to build your car for you. It's just a question of what you're willing to work with, and what you're willing to put up with. Doing the welding yourself may not look as pretty, and it's not as good a welder as the pros use, but a lot of guys get it done with a low-dollar MIG or stick welder, and chances are they couldn't make a manifold the first time they picked up the thing either!

So it's never as good doing a MIG in your garage with no training as a robotic TIG, and it's not as friendly as S300 or FAST or KPro or Neptune or whatever. No reason to say the MIG sucks, it gets the job done for a LOT of people. </TD></TR></TABLE>


ACtually i've burned quite a few chips in my day, the last month is my frist time using chrome, and moates products... Now with that said you read my issues on PGMFI.org... That issue i can blame on the burner, ecu possibly??? Now for the actual issues with chrome were having whos fault is that. I'm assuming its my fault that chrome will never consistantly put/get and verify.. Its must be the shitty memmory allocation on my laptop that causes the "null value" errors" The bins changing themselves must be the lighting in the shop. Also i guess the fact that the car runs for a minute and tosses a solid cel is cause i didnt click my heels 3 times before i burned the chip.


So my project for this weekend is were starting from scratch. I'll resolder all the ecu's, use a NEW moates burn1, and i'll be using a completly different laptop, i even have 4 shinny new 27SF512 chips sitting around. I'll even go as far as using a static strap inbetween chip changes.

 

Let us know how it goes

All I've gotta say is, when YOU have problems, and at least 10 that I personally know of don't, including myself, why point your finger instantly at the software? Unless you can definitively state that it is NOT your laptop, and it is NOT a bad copy.

 

Are you using the proper offset when using 512 chips? You should try a 29c256 and get it working before using a shitty SST

 

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All I've gotta say is, when YOU have problems, and at least 10 that I personally know of don't, including myself, why point your finger instantly at the software? Unless you can definitively state that it is NOT your laptop, and it is NOT a bad copy. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Untill i find the issue i can put the blame on whatever i want. If chrome wasnt tossing up shitty errors all the time, i'd say its flawless.. but it did toss up errors.. I will be testing this all out on another laptop... Maybe chrome doesnt work with Dell inspiron 8000's or something, who knows...

I'm also going to blame the chip burner, to solve this issue i bought a complete new one... If this one works better, then we know that is one problem solved.


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chip start-&gt;end
008000-&gt;00FFFF

buffer start-&gt;end
000000-&gt;007FFF

I believe those are correct.


Now if by some chance a chip is bad, would the chip verify correctly, then run prefect for a minute, and then all the sudden just **** out.. ?? So say the chip is fine, how do i test the board??

 

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Known-good socketed ECU!

When I first chipped mine, I had a cold solder joint. It ran perfectly but whenever the ECU got hot it would cut out suddenly, felt like a horse bucking. It got bad enough in the summer that if the ECU got sunlight on it it would cut out, so I would drive in the shade or only at night - before I figured out what it was. All the joints looked great but simply reflowing solved it.

 

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Known-good socketed ECU!

When I first chipped mine, I had a cold solder joint. It ran perfectly but whenever the ECU got hot it would cut out suddenly, felt like a horse bucking. It got bad enough in the summer that if the ECU got sunlight on it it would cut out, so I would drive in the shade or only at night - before I figured out what it was. All the joints looked great but simply reflowing solved it. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I'm going to try that, but there has to be a bette way to test the board. Does anybody know what the proper voltage range is between the jumpers etc...

 

crome pro got my vote /
ill be shooting for 250hp dd GSR Stock internals ,well see.

 

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Don't mean to be a dick.. but what version of crome are you using and what are you trying to do? If you are trying to do things that some of the plugins aren't made to do you might get the null value errors. I have been using 1.8R2 or whatever the crap that is for a long time with 0 errors if you use it correctly. Some of the plugins are only supported for certain roms and so on.

The values magically changing themselves? Is that when you save or is that while you are tuning in real time and uploading? If you haven't noticed.. if you punch in a number in the vtec spot and revlimits, they usually change to something different.

I think you should re-download the stable version and go from there. I know sometimes if you get a bad plug in it can be a pain in the *** to get it working again.

 

Using the current 1.2Final. I'm well aware of the values changing when making other changes, On this particluar setup the values are changing just by saving and opening up the ROM. This is all just becomming flaky as hell, something is fucked up somewhere. Starting from scratch again this weekend, we'll see how that runs.

 

It looks like almost 100% of this thread is Pro- Crome Pro Im almost positive im going with it.

 

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Is that possibly from using the ostrich and saving the bins? The bin does change after saving it when using it with the ostrich. It is usually a change to the lean side.

 

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Ha, I've had that problem with ostrich, nothing a little enjoyable tuning hasn't worked out though. I run uberdata but I tried Crome once and it ran pretty much the same. Haven't had a chance to hook my ostrich to it yet because I have like 2 hours part throttle tuning into my uber tune so I get 40 mpg. Anyway, to the people having trouble getting uberdata to idle, you just need a wideband and an ostrich.

 

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You won't regret it; Crome Pro gets a + and a from me! I love it

 

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Untill i find the issue i can put the blame on whatever i want. If chrome wasnt tossing up shitty errors all the time, i'd say its flawless.. but it did toss up errors.. I will be testing this all out on another laptop... Maybe chrome doesnt work with Dell inspiron 8000's or something, who knows...

I'm also going to blame the chip burner, to solve this issue i bought a complete new one... If this one works better, then we know that is one problem solved.
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Come to NJ and I will give you a 1 hour free lesson to show you what you are doing wrong. There is no reason to bad mouth the software or the product manufacturers when everyone else is singing their praises.

When there are hundreds of users using it and using it correctly...and one person is having a disasterous experience such as yourself, there is no other explanation except user error unfortunately.

How do I know this? You would would have won the lottery by now with all of that luck (if everything you have was bad and not your fault) and paying someone else to tune your car