Having used both here is my take on it. they both work very well.
things I dont like about hondata - the cost
things I dont like about uberdata - VERY time consuming to make it work, The issues w/3bar map, no dataloging tho i hear its in the works, and the fact that you cant switch from closed loop to open loop, this makes it MUCH harder to tune part throttle.
just my 2 cents

 

Datalogging lambda readings in the actual maps in my opinion is a pretty big part of tuning part throttle without taking a ton of time. Constantly looking back at the a/f log from a different program and seeing the ups and downs.
I'm switching to uberdata from hondata, and hopefully it works good. The 3 bar is supposed to be up to par. Also closed loop disable is now available. I'll find out this weekend how it does

Nate

 

yeah man let me know how it turns out I was un aware that you could swap from open to closed on uberdata and that the 3bar was now working.
let me know what happens might have to try it again

 

3 bar works fine for me on Uberdata, im using 1.65 v.3 1.66 was just released and all the 3 bar bugs are supposedly worked out.

 

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You can datalog via ecucontrol which is another free software program that works

 

Ok, this one's gonna be long.

Better in what way?
Does it have better datalogging? No, not yet.
Does it have a better (read: more affordable) price? Yes.

Right, it doesn't have all of the features yet, but there are some that uberdata has that hondata doesnt (from what I understand, I don't have experience w/hondata).

Yes, you should save for the S200 and have someone tune it for you. No offense inteded here, but someone that has to ask all of these questions isn't qualified to chip and/or tune an ECU. Keep in mind that whichever route you take, you'll have to get it tuned. There is no magical way to "read boost" as you put it.

Yeah, it's 'like a ecu type thing'. Your stock honda ECU has provisions for reprogramming, uberdata and hondata both take advantage of this. No pics.

Yeah, that's right, but you need someone to solder it unless you know what you're doing. If you're not careful, you could turn your P72 into a $200 piece of toast. As I said above, your stock ECU has provisions for reprogramming.

There is no magical solution to "read boost". Either route you go, you'll need to tune.

Don't have time to learn it? Come on, it's not that hard. I'm a fulltime student too. If your tuner knows Hondata, your tuner knows uberdata. Set it and forget it can be achieved with either route.

3 bar issues are reported by at least 5 people to have been fixed. Datalogging is working, but not yet released. Closed loop disable is verified to be working.

Now that I've quoted half of the people in the world... I'm done. Thanks for playing.

 

CHEAP??????/ maybe for the obd1 guys but for obd2, after doing the converion harness and buying a new ecu, it aint so cheap anymore.
a used hondata can be found so its not a great amt cheaper

 

is anyone running 1.66 now? ive currently got 1.65 repack and im thinking about d-loading 1.66

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiRkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CHEAP??????/ maybe for the obd1 guys but for obd2, after doing the converion harness and buying a new ecu, it aint so cheap anymore.
a used hondata can be found so its not a great amt cheaper</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you read my post, I never said cheap. As far as I understand, you need the same equipment to convert to OBD1 either way, so Hondata is still $4xx more in the long run.

 

sorry, i wasnt really referring to you but to all that kept saying its cheap.
yeah its free but the obd2 guys still have to shell out some decent coin to get it up and running

 

you will need a chip burner for hondata just as much as you need it for uberdata. The only time you don't need it for hondata is if you are having someone else work on your ECU, same could easily apply to uberdata-just give em the map and burn...

 

w3rd! i know that stuff is needed for hondata aswell.

so you see, its not so "cheap" for uberdata either.


I dont consider $500 cheap(which is roughly what itll take to run either system)

$10 for a nice homemade mbc is CHEAP

 

Aww c'mon Jody... the hatch isnt a OBD2 car is it? ...what are you bitching about

OBD1 and OBD0 cars take +/- $30 bucks in parts to chip the ecu.


Modified by .nate at 5:30 PM 4/15/2004

 

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For OBD1

uberdata=free
USB chip burner=$81 shipped
Tech Edge DIY 2.0 with 7057 connector kit without display=$186 shipped
Wideband oxygen sensor=$36 shipped
Chipping stuff=~$19 shipped(low profile zif too)
Total=$322 for all brand new stuff. Not bad I don't think(I'm not doing a uberdata vs. hondata comparison, just listing prices.).

 

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why is it so hard to understand this. both systems require the same things to run... chip the ecu, buy a burner, buy a wb. the thing is hondata cost an extra 600 or so ON TOP OF THAT. so no matter wich way you look at it YOU ARE SAVING 600 USDOLLARS. next time someone says that they come out even "in the long run" i am going to freak out becuase you are such an idiot.

 

I don't think anyone has posted what the blue box is for? Why does the hondata have a bluebox which is needed for there system? Also can uberdata do what hondata can do without the blue box? Just curious because I bet people are wondering this to.

 

Dont quote me on this, but Ive heard from reading the uberdata forum, that the blue box is just used to protect their product from piracy.

 

bump for GREAT info, thanks guys

 

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I totally understand where you are coming from, but what you are not factoring in is time. The amount of time it takes to start from scratch and become completely familiar with Uberdata, knowledge wise, isn't by any means minimal. I have a busy life, and not that my car isn't important, but there are higher priorities. So unless I had a friend that knew his **** with Uberdata and was willing to help for a reasonable price, I think I will stick with Hondata. But there is definately nothing wrong with a little competition for Hondata. Maybe someday they will be forced to drop there price because there competition, Uberdata, will be taking all there potential customers.

 

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I totally understand where you are coming from, but what you are not factoring in is time. The amount of time it takes to start from scratch and become completely familiar with Uberdata, knowledge wise, isn't by any means minimal. I have a busy life, and not that my car isn't important, but there are higher priorities. So unless I had a friend that knew his **** with Uberdata and was willing to help for a reasonable price, I think I will stick with Hondata. But there is definately nothing wrong with a little competition for Hondata. Maybe someday they will be forced to drop there price because there competition, Uberdata, will be taking all there potential customers.

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your argument makes sense, the logic behind it does not.

a. uberdata does not require anymore time to use than hondata
b. hondata and uberdata, editing wise, are the same thing. ignition map, fuel map. change values. that is all there is to it.
c. anyone who can tune hondata, who says they cannot tune uberdata, is saying that for covert, not over reasons. by this I mean, they are saying they cannot tune uberdata, not because of its unfamiliarity, but because of other reasons.

so that really makes your argument quite moot. the time required to learn is the same, and your 'friend' who knows hondata, could easily tune uberdata. therefore, for you, uberdata would be just as good.

the only person i think it would be worse for, is a complete newbie, or someoen who wants to boost 20psi+. or someone who needs tech support on hand a lot.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiRkid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so you see, its not so "cheap" for uberdata either.


I dont consider $500 cheap(which is roughly what itll take to run either system)</TD></TR></TABLE>

For Uberdata:

Chip burner $50-100 depending on your flavor
Basic de/soldering irons and chipping supplies $50

Total cost: $100-150


For OBD2:

OBD1-OBD1 conversion harness $100
OBD1 ECU $15-100

Total cost: $215-350


And you get to tune/retune as needed... basic Hondata that you can't fiddle is $400 WITHOUT anything else for OBD2 cars, etc, and closer to a grand with everything they like you to buy to tune it yourself.

My chip burner has paid for itself a couple hundred times over, I build most of the OBD conversion harnesses myself for ~$25 cost, and run ECUs I've picked up for free-$25. All this **** is pretty simple when compared to, say, learning to build an engine or knowing everything you really should to build and own a turbo car. It's just another trick, another step on the path, and the people who feel safer buying an expensive product for the most part aren't learning the trick or walking the path.

If you are overwhelmed with everything going on in your current project - hey, there is no shame in buying a quality product like Hondata and having a stunna like Mase tune your **** for 1.9 million dollars. Just try to go back to it and give it a try later down the road, for your next setup or something. There really is a LOT to be learned when you're playing with a rapidly developing open source platform - it's like being a rodeo cowboy, yo!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> your argument makes sense, the logic behind it does not.

a. uberdata does not require anymore time to use than hondata
b. hondata and uberdata, editing wise, are the same thing. ignition map, fuel map. change values. that is all there is to it.
c. anyone who can tune hondata, who says they cannot tune uberdata, is saying that for covert, not over reasons. by this I mean, they are saying they cannot tune uberdata, not because of its unfamiliarity, but because of other reasons.

so that really makes your argument quite moot. the time required to learn is the same, and your 'friend' who knows hondata, could easily tune uberdata. therefore, for you, uberdata would be just as good.

the only person i think it would be worse for, is a complete newbie, or someoen who wants to boost 20psi+. or someone who needs tech support on hand a lot.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Well there isn't a dyno within 5 hours that will tune Uberdata. So what would you suggest? And the friend example was hypothetical, I don't have any friends that have experience with either. So, unless you are willing to fly up and tune my car with Uberdata, I am going with Hondata. And at the same time I will gladly pay the extra cost of convenience. (i.e. Install and tuning)

BTW, the word moot is not a good representation of what you are trying to say. It has dual and conflicting meanings and confuses your point. I would suggest a word like weak, implausible, or unconvincing next time. This link may better help you understand why moot wasn't what you were looking for:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=moot

 

the word moot makes perfect sense

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also, as stated, anyone who can tune hondata can tune uberdata.

the issue here is not uberdata not being good enough, it is you not being good enough. you do not know EMS's well enough to make a good assessment and thus will pay more for the same thing. enjoy doing that, that is darwinism at work.

 

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Other then the dollar figure, this is actually an intelligent comment. Some day down the road I definitely look forward to learning more, it's just right now there are higher priorities. Right now, the benefit of convenience out weights the cost.

 

"When using moot one should be sure that the context makes clear which sense is meant."

Like I said, reading the link would have been helpful.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It has dual and conflicting meanings and confuses your point. I would suggest a word like weak, implausible, or unconvincing next time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Moot has two meanings, the proper one: To bring up as a subject for discussion or debate; and the bastardization: Of no practical importance; irrelevant. But if you insist on using the word moot, at least you realize where your english is weak.